From: scottrauscher [email redacted]
To: [redacted]
Date: Today at 3:45 P.M.
Dear folks – this came to me the other day. I’ve not studied it out. But it looks to be a good study, many thanks for all your prayers and support
Scott
WHEN TO BE SILENT … and the Bible says:
1. Be silent In the heat of anger – (Prov 14:17)
2. Be silent When you don’t have all the facts – (Prov 18:13)
3. Be silent When you haven’t verified the story – (Deut 17:6)
4. Be silent If your words will offend a weaker person – (1 Cor 8:1 1)
5. Be silent When it is time to listen – (Prov 13:1)
6. Be silent When you are tempted to make light of holy things – (Eccl 5:2)
7. Be silent When you are tempted to joke about sin – (Prov 14:9)
8. Be silent If you would be ashamed of your words later – (Prov 8:8)
9. Be silent If your words would convey the wrong impression – (Prov 17:27)
10. Be silent If the issue is none of your business – (Prov 14:10)
11. Be silent When you are tempted to tell an outright lie – (Prov 4:24)
12. Be silent If your words will damage someone else’s reputation – (Pro 16:27)
13. Be silent If your words will damage a friendship – (Prov 16:28)
14. Be silent When you are feeling critical – (James 3:9)
15. Be silent If you can’t say it without screaming it – (Prov 25:28)
16. Be silent If your words will be a poor reflection of the Lord or your friends and family – (1 Pt 2:21-23)
17. Be silent If you may have to eat your words later – (Prov 18:21)
18. Be silent If you have already said it more than one time – (Prov 19:13)
19. Be silent When you are tempted to flatter a wicked person – (Prov 24:24)
20. Be silent When you are supposed to be working instead – (Prov 14:23)
“WHOEVER GUARDS HIS MOUTH AND TONGUE KEEPS HIS SOUL FROM TROUBLES’’ – (Prov 21 :23).
“BE STILL, AND KNOW THAT I AM GOD” (Ps 46:10) . May the grace of the Lord be with You
WINGS Note: The King James version of the verses Scott quoted are pasted below, as he probably uses that version.
We wonder when he will issue references for the study topic ‘when to speak up’, with verses about speaking up for the ones who don’t feel they have a voice? The little ones, the oppressed, the poor?
- (Prov 14:17) He that is soon angry dealeth foolishly,: And a man of wicked devices is hated.
- (Prov 18:13) He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
- (Deut 17:6) At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
- (1 Cor 8:11) and through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
- (Prov 13:1) A wise son heareth his father’s instruction: but a scorner heareth not rebuke.
- (Eccl 5:2) Be not rash with thy mouth, and let not thine heart be hasty to utter anything before God: for God is in heaven, and thou upon earth, therefore let thy words be few.
- (Prov 14:9) Fools make a mock at sin: But among the righteous there is favour.
- (Prov 8:8) All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; There is nothing froward or perverse in them.
- (Prov 17:27) He that hath knowledge spareth his words: And a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.
- (Prov 14:10) the heart knoweth his own bitterness; and a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy.
- (Prov 4:24) Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.
- (Pro 16:27) An ungodly man diggeth up evil: And in his lips there is as a burning fire.
- (Prov 16:28) A froward man soweth strife: And a whisperer separated chief friends.
- (James 3:9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similtude of God.
- (Prov 25:28) He that hath no rule over his own spirit Is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.
- (1 Pt 2:21-23) “For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:”
- (Prov 18:21) He that despiseth his neighbor sinneth: But he that hath mercy on the poor, happy is he.
- (Prov 19:13) A foolish son is the calamity of his father: And the contentions of a wife are a continual dropping.
- (Prov 24:24) He that saith unto the wicked, Thou art righteous; Him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
- (Prov 14:23) In all labour there is profit: but the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury.
WINGS Note: We have been advised that this was circulating on the internet and have found reports back to 2016, originally in Nigeria. See:
Jan 31, 2018 https://motivatedandfree.wordpress.com/2018/01/31/when-to-be-silent-in-20-situations/
Feb 8, 2017 https://www.nairaland.com/3617081/see-20-times-need-silent (Culled from http://www.opinions.ng/see-20-times-need-silent/ which is no longer available, but the Wayback archive shows it was posted on Dec 28, 2016, and was culled from WhatsApp, author unknown)
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i sent scott a text with these two verses, but i’m sure he has blocked me.
Proverbs 31:8 Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.
Proverbs 31:9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.
Don’t give up, CB! God is still on our side, no matter what corrupt “overseers” (who are completely unscriptural) do or say.
You are spot on. I am still appalled…finding it very difficult to believe that ANY follower of God could silently tolerate this abomination (decades of CSA, SA and covering up.)
It may be high time for all “workers” to remain silent and cancel all future “gospel meetings”. No “outsider” who is able to access Wings will believe a word the say.
It is very obvious he wrote this while angry. Maybe he needs to stop and think about his advice.
Cynthia, your are so right! Anger is not an emotion that God instills in His people. Appreciate those who are awake to what is true and right. Scott is not one of them.
Every time Scott Rauscher posts something I lose a little bit more respect for him.
This thing he posted is about shutting us survivors up while he continues to babble on about being quiet…I’m sure they all would like us to sit down and shut up.
I know he’s angry because I sent him an email telling him who I was and what I was asking and he replied that he didn’t know who I was and that I could be anybody and that I could be accused of email stalking!! How’s that for being paranoid?
Quote Scott “Be silent when you don’t have all the facts” ??
– Could that maybe be applied to taking people out of meeting and taking their parts away for divorce & remarriage… when you don’t know all the facts? Possible abuse, infidelity, etc.. you don’t know you have no place nor does any worker.
Quote Scott “Be silent when you are tempted to tell an outright lie”….
-Could this be applied to those that say they didn’t know about abuse? Or did and moved workers around? Or maybe possibly workers that have had children or have had or are having affairs and maybe those that are still preaching to us and have a child that they have told even their coworkers to lie about?
Enough….. climb down off the pedestal
Cynthia- yes, well said!
Absolutely! Well Said!
Cynthia, I do have to point out that God gave Jesus the message and He is the one who spoke against divorce (hardness of heart), and remarriage (adultery). We don’t judge whether it’s right/wrong, because He alread did. Doesn’t matter the circumstances, because everyone thinks their circumstances are “special” or “worse than”…and God was/is well aware of circumstances. But, He’s not changing His mind.
I am appalled at the number of workers who don’t respect our marriages!! Those are vows we make before the God of Heaven, and HE expects us to keep them, “until death”, just as he expects us to keep our vow to serve him “until death”. When someone contacts them about issues in their marriage, the workers should IMMEDIATELY point them to their Elders (who are the only ones referred to as “overseers” in the scriptures) who should never take sides (no matter the circumstances), because they are not a part of that union and each side is only giving their opinion on what they believe is the truth.
Yes, there’s been lots of misbehaving within the ministry, and they all should do the right thing and step down – who’ve been a part of that. Some have already. But, I also know there’s many still in the ministry who take their call to the ministry very seriously and are safe and a joy to have in our homes.
I saw this circulating a couple months ago among the head in sand crowd. I get the impression Scott liked what he saw and forwarded it to others. I don’t think he wrote it. In any case it is disgusting, and the rebuttal is well done.
When people are guilty, and want to justify their poor decisions and choices, they lash out and start quoting a bunch of verses AT people they want to break down, in hopes they will shut up and leave them alone. Scott, we aren’t going anywhere, and THIS i(we the people) is what Judges 19 looks like today. Rising up in RIGHTEOUS ANGER against WRONGS. God is. NOT happy with the ministry hence the ministry being blown open. If you look at the charts of all the felonious perpetrators of child sexual assault, the ministry is the hugest group. Whether you knew or not, you have chosen even recently to allow one of these felons (giving poor excuse for why, and memorializing it by allowing him to be in a picture) to be around any one. You constantly skirt the issue of keeping criminals out of the fellowship, so the victims can feel safe – which means YOU can be held liable AND put your Elders in the line of fire (by making them eligible for lengthy prison sentences along side you) if you ask one to have these unrepentant felons to attend meetings in their homes. Shame on you! Did you know, in the history of the reporting of children being sexually assaulted (physical contact made) there’s not once been even one that’s been turned around? Not ONE. Every meeting you allow them to attend, they are only going because it’s giving them opportunity to find their next victim!
Don’t tell us to shut up and sit down, we are here to protect the children and vulnerable, which are a very important group of people, to the God of Heaven!
Scott Rauscher, you arrogant, self righteous, elitist, little human. I would love to go one on one with you and talk of Christ, our Saviour, and I am by no means a Bible scholar. Scott Rauscher, it’s evident, you show Christ has no place in your life, and you have no business leading people, many who are seeking Christ in their lives. Other people idealize the “workers” and for them, being your egotistical self is a good fit.
Your letter starts with, “From: scottrauscher [email redacted]
To: [redacted]
Date: Today at 3:45 P.M.
Dear folks – this came to me the other day. I’ve not studied it out. But it looks to be a good study, many thanks for all your prayers and support
Scott
WHEN TO BE SILENT”.
Scott Rauscher, YOU send out a letter, blasting it out there, ” listen to ME, everyone “, on how to stay SILENT?! AND, YOU have the audacity to send something out to everyone, that you, yourself did not even take the half hour it would take to look these verses up ( ” I’ve not studied it out”). Scott Rauscher, what else did you do with the half hour it would take to look these verses up that was so much more important than looking to God’s Word? Your telling other people to do things, you are not willing to do yourself! Frankly, Scott Rauscher, YOU need to be shut down. You, along with ALL of the workers that say people should not be looking at websites such as WFT. WFT is the best thing for “professing people” to see because inside the walls of the organization, all the people will hear, Scott Rauscher, is what you’re going to tell them and that will be tilted to your sick, slimy way of thinking. I really feel for anyone that unsuspecting comes across your path because you are dangerous. Anyone who does knows about you and does nothing, shame on them. Bullies like you need to be shown your place. It’s evident, you are not living for God and it is extremely unfortunate that you are in a position to do so much damage. Next time you send out a letter for everyone to read for them to be silent, you read it first and also, be the first to take it’s advice, and you keep silent! The organization, and the world would be better for it — not to hear from you. You say, “But it looks to be a good study”. Scott Rauscher you are simply pathetic.
WINGS has added a note to the post, pointing out that the content has been circulating since at least 2016.
This site lists 93 verses for when to speak up. They are a good study: https://bibleportal.com/topic/speaking-up
Wingsfortruth2, Thank you!
I’m a bit confused. What does this have to do with CSA/SA if Scott was just forwarding something that was forwarded to him? Additionally, why was Scott’s letter to the group of Bozeman friends placed on this site without any background or explanation? And also Darryl’s letter? These were private letters posted publicly (is “redacted” a private individual or an entire group?) with no background explanation, evidently for the purposes of getting an inflammatory response from the readers. It gives fodder to those that are already upset, and further reduces credibility of this site to those who are trying to help create solutions for something they love and want to continue to be a part of. Please, Wings – you’ve been a big help to bring the news to many, but I’m sorry that you choose to withhold more complete information (names redacted of course) rather than just posting random letters that cause all sorts of wild conjectures and get all of the ones already upset even more upset. This is just creating a divisive environment making the gap wider and wider. You have a right to post what you want to of course – it’s your private site, and we appreciate all that you do to expose what has not been dealt with. Most of the other sites/groups are much more extreme than Wings, and so many of us can’t bear to read the other sites but are thankful for Wings. But this situation with Scott would have been a lot more effective if we had understood a bit more of the situation. The way it was posted it appeared that the workers were writing to the entire world, not just a few people. If the one who had shared the workers’ letter with Wings had stated (very generally of course) what they had been trying to accomplish, and also their feelings of disappointment and frustration at not being heard or understood – I think that would have helped us have a much greater understanding of and empathy for the situation. They were happy to expose the names of the workers in a private letter but not willing to expose their own names. That’s a bit – disconcerting. But worst of all was a very misleading title to the post – Montana and Wyoming workers blocking historic cases. That was not only exaggerated, it was clearly written to be inflammatory. I think the staff is bigger than the few that signed the letter and maybe not all would have agreed with the contents of the letter. A better title to the post would have been, “Requests presented to workers by concerned group of friends refused.” To me that’s not only clearly true, it makes me feel more empathetic to these friends who have been willing to make the effort on behalf of the victims (and to prevent further abuse of others), and yet are up against a very frustrating roadblock of the workers no longer willing to work with them. Thank you for bearing with me.
Thoughts — why are you all in bag for Scott Rauscher and the “truth”? That is sick and disgusting! What Wings is doing is an extreme service to all who are, and have been involved in the ” truth” group. Wings is helping people. Period. You say, “I’m a bit confused. What does this have to do with CSA/SA”. You are really confused because of Wings is doing? “It gives fodder to those that are already upset”. What is ” fodder”. The definition of fodder is: “food, especially dried hay or feed, for cattle and other livestock”. It sounds like a ” professing ” term. Like, “let’s go along with the workers” and not say anything that would shine a light on the under belly of the religion.
Thoughts, do you agree with Dean Bruer, or Wings? Most likely Dean Bruer, because Wings is “fodder”. Without Wings, it would just be the silence of the lambs. Actually, that might make a pretty good movie.
Fodder? I think you have mischaracterized me. Please read my letter again. Where in it do I defend Scott? He’s a big boy, he can speak for himself. The problem is that there are in fact many people who do love and appreciate Scott and they cannot comprehend what others have experienced with him. I’m just asking for Wings to make their posts more realistic, more complete, so that others can truly get a better picture of what’s going on. For example, If you had told people that Dean Bruer is evil, who would believe you? Only the ones who were already angry with him for one reason or another, for instance his cold stance on remarriage. Everyone else would think you’re just a rebel not willing to fit in. The result is a stark division and nothing accomplished. But, if you gave credible evidence of misdoings, suddenly everyone can’t help but believe you. And truly, that’s what happened. Such evidence turned all of us upside down faster than a flapjack on fire (once it was finally shared).
Thoughts – I think you raise some interesting points. Here are some additional thoughts on the matter.
“What does this have to do with CSA/SA if Scott was just forwarding something that was forwarded to him?”
-> I think most would agree that, regardless of the intentions, the messaging here is extremely poor given the many past issues with silencing victims and coverups. Many in the church near-worship older brother workers like Scott, and it’s easy to imagine they could interpret this that it would be sinful or wrong to speak up about CSA/SA issues. This is absolutely not the environment the church should be creating. It’s reasonable to question the motives of this messaging.
We can’t read Scott’s mind to know intentions, but the negative impacts of him sending messages like this seem obvious in the present situation. Do you disagree?
This being posed as a serious question illustrates how problematic and insensitive the attitude is of many in the church and ministry. I understand this might sound like an attack or insult, but I don’t intend it that way; hopefully you understand this given the previous explanation.
Regarding Scott’s and Darryl’s letters being posted publicly without permission:
->If there’s specific context we are missing to justify Scott’s problematic letter, I agree it should be posted. I, for one, would be happy to see a suitable explanation/justification if it exists. I suspect WINGS would post it (although I cannot speak for them).
Scott even sent a clarification letter in which he could have provided the necessary explanation/justification. Why was this not done? If the details of the situation reflected positively on the ministry, would it have been disclosed? We are left with speculation, and my speculation is that it benefits the ministry to keep it quiet, and would reflect poorly on them. I also feel that keeping things quiet is generally more beneficial to perps than victims. I’m not saying there cannot be a good explanation, but it certainly looks bad in the absence of one.
Regarding misleading headlines:
->I think can agree with this. The headlines could have been worded more accurately, and it does tend to make the WINGS site look less objective than it has in the past. I understand that Scott’s messages are upsetting, but the way this has been handled by WINGS does seem a bit out of character.
Things can absolutely be taken out of context to frame things a certain way or make certain people look bad. We see this in the media all the time. At the same time, in this situation, I’m not aware of anything stopping the ones involved from directly providing the missing context.
More thoughts,
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I’m sorry to just now be responding on this website – I wanted to acknowledge your very thoughtful response and feel that this kind of a comment can create constructive discourse even/especially amongst those who have different perspectives.
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Now I will respond to what you wrote.
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“What does this have to do with CSA/SA if Scott was just forwarding something that was forwarded to him?”
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-> I think most would agree that, regardless of the intentions, the messaging here is extremely poor given the many past issues with silencing victims and coverups. Many in the church near-worship older brother workers like Scott, and it’s easy to imagine they could interpret this that it would be sinful or wrong to speak up about CSA/SA issues. This is absolutely not the environment the church should be creating. It’s reasonable to question the motives of this messaging.
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We can’t read Scott’s mind to know intentions, but the negative impacts of him sending messages like this seem obvious in the present situation. Do you disagree?
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>>> I only disagree in the sense that a lot is being read into something because we have been triggered based on wrong timing. Again, this was not a public letter. I have no idea who it was sent to – obviously one of the recipients of it felt that it should be posted on wings, and wings agreed. But Scott made it clear (based on what is posted here) that he was just passing on something that was forwarded to him – and evident to me is that it was sent to him with the idea that it would be a good study, so he reiterated that. But it seems to me that the audience was not those that were in conflict with him, but rather, Scott thanks them for their prayers and support. So this was sent to those that Scott felt were praying for him and supportive of him in some way. So as a result of these things clearly posted with the letter, it feels that the letter was purposely posted to aggravate those that are already aggravated, rather than keep Scott’s letter in context. Keeping emotions stirred up in this way does nothing to solve anything. We need clear thinking and level headedness. I know most of us have a lot of emotions based on our own experiences, and artificially inflammatory posts can ultimately cause a lot of triggering that can cause lots of setbacks rather than helping to go forward.
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This being posed as a serious question illustrates how problematic and insensitive the attitude is of many in the church and ministry. I understand this might sound like an attack or insult, but I don’t intend it that way; hopefully you understand this given the previous explanation.
>> I would venture to say that those who are labeled as “problematic and insensitive” would feel the same for those who say it of them. This is, unfortunately, additionally subjective and not so helpful for creating solutions. However, in spite of such conclusions, I feel it is healthy to have conversations and even to “spill our emotions” as it can help us to have a clearer perspective on even our own thoughts. So no, I don’t feel attacked or insulted by you at all – in fact, I appreciated your thoughtful post, and thank you for the rest of what you posted as well.
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As a further response regarding those in the church and ministry who have a “problematic and insensitive” attitude, I would venture to say that they don’t see it that way at all – in fact they likely feel like victims too. I’m not saying this to defend anyone; it’s just my observations. Ina meeting not long ago – there was someone who I would say fit this definition quite well. But they got up and spoke about struggling to have a right spirit regarding those who attacked them. So clearly they didn’t see themselves the same as others did. I think it’s a very big error to see any one group as “wrong”. Another thing that happens is that we have a tendency to “dehumanize” groups and it’s easy to attack them or see them as the enemy. And maybe I am more sensitive to this because I have relatives on all sides of these issues. And I love them all and desire so much that they could just love each other. We have a common problem, and that is csa/sa and such other associated abuses. It makes us feel good to blame others we see as complicit or trying to defend the perpetrator. But it doesn’t actually solve anything. When we attack those who are associated with the offender as strongly as we attack the offender, we are muddying the waters. The offender is the offender. To say that others wanted the children to be hurt is slander. Why the offender is defended and the victim is not is a complicated psychological issue. Because of the Ira Hobbs issue, we have learned about those who groom a community, not just their offender. So in other words, the ones we are attacking can often be victims of the offender, even if they weren’t physically abused, maybe simply through grooming or gaslighting. So to attack them simply puts them on the defense and causes great confusion. And those who are attacking Lyle – I don’t defend him either – but Texas has sure gotten on the ball with awareness and education, and I really think such awareness and education is a huge antidote for community grooming. Interestingly, it seems the TX/NM zealousness has overwhelmed people and they are having to backtrack a bit and learn how to be much more empathetic rather than academic. I really think those that are being accused of not doing enough or not taking care of things are seriously shell shocked. If we keep shooting at them, will they begin to suddenly fit our expectations and start to do everything right? Or will they just shut down? What is the line between victim and offender? When does a victim become an offender? It seems that there was a victim who was crashing the Texas town hall gatherings, and people felt victimized by her and felt that she was being quite insensitive! Aren’t many offenders previously victims? What does it take to help a victim be an overcomer rather than becoming an offender? These questions and thousands of others plague me in the night. I’m thankful for God’s cleansing and I believe He will renew us as we keep sensitive to the guidance of the Spirit and within the circle of His loving arms.
Thoughts – I was upset with the people who posted the letter too. They shouldn’t have just launched the reply, but rather their orginal request should have been posted with it, with Scott’s response attached. I don’t see your post as one in support of Scott R. and I’m glad. His actions have not been ones that should be of one who claims to be a ‘servant of God’ or the ‘overseer’. But, Wings isn’t here to upset people, nor disparage the Truth. This site isn’t like the other sites that are just filled with hate filled people. Although we are seeing more of them filtering in, like Fodder? Just lashing out and not showing the Spirit of God.
We are angry that we’ve been taken advantage of, not just physically, sexually, or mentally, but that there’s no respect for our homes, our marriages, our children, nor our Spiritual lives…and no definitive response to our safety or the safety of our fellowhip going forward. But, it’s not a hatefilled anger, but rather one of righteousness, because God is with us! He always wins!
Thank you for your thoughts henoffour. No, I’m certainly not in support of Scott. But in fact I’m not against him either. I think he has been blind sided and unprepared for the onslaught. I neither defend the way things were dealt with by those who decided to take the oversight into their own hands when the law itself no longer applied. But I understand where they were coming from. It’s easy to decide who is “right” and who is “wrong” and to generalize the whole set of workers as all doing wrong things or are otherwise complicit by association. But that is not my stance. It’s too organic of an organization for that to be appropriate. I know so many of the workers who have stated their own personal calling by God. I believe that most are in it for the love of souls in spite of what has been thrown at them and what some in their ranks have done which has resulted in difficulties and distrust of all the workers. It’s just not my mind to be angry for being taken advantage of by workers. I don’t feel the lack of respect that you talk about. In fact, I feel just the opposite. I know there will potentially be bad eggs who take advantage of their place for their own selfish desires. We have now, I think, better prepared ourselves for that time through some changes to the way we house the workers, so that even if they are not what they should be, they won’t have advantage to follow their weakness in our house, as much as is in our power. I’m not going to install additional cameras nor monitor the internet, nor seek to know what they will do with my financial gifts. I answer to God for my hospitality to them and I believe they answer to God for what they do as well.
GOOD JOB WINGS!!!
This site lists 93 verses for when to speak up. They are a good study: https://bibleportal.com/topic/speaking-up.
People, find a backbone! Speak up!
Scott Rauscher AND the workers that tell people what to do, what to read, how to “be”, are completely wrong. That is communism. That is the devil speaking. Help people. Don’t tell them to be silent!!! Tell them how awesome God is and what He can do for them. Do NOT tell them to be silent. Tell them to raise their voice and speak out. Speak out for God. Speak out against bullies. Speak out for righteousness. Speak out against those who crucified Jesus on the cross. Speak out against creeps like Scott Rauscher. Do not remain silent. Silence is going along with the crowd. When you know something is wrong, silence is, ” in keeping with them “, compliant, permissive and sharing in their shameful actions. People such as Scott Rauscher are NOT people living for God. Simply by Scott Rauscher own words, “this came to me the other day. I’ve not studied it out. But it looks to be a good study”. Looks like a good study! Scott Rauscher does not have time for God, and His Word. Scott Rauscher, like Dean Bruer, has time for himself, but not for Him who matters. Speak out against Scott Rauscher!
Thoughts:
Quote “WINGS has been created to support victims…..”
“Especially when it’s impact is trivialized or ignored”.
Your defense for Scott and Darryl: is not for Scott or Darryl but is accusing WINGS of mis-information and redaction to GET an “inflammatory response”! And accusing respondents of ‘wild conjectures’ show your ignorance of. Keep in mind the reason WINGS was created!
We encourage you to ‘go back in time’ and READ their ‘letters’ with their apologies and declarations of future behavior in April of 2023.
With the information concerning this staff and their behavior prior to these letters; we are very concerned THAT they are still considered “STAFF”!
That has been 8 months ago from their letters declaring THEIR enlightenment and their great training of CSA/SA. BUT somehow their ‘sugar plums and roses’ have turned rotten again in the Reality of the world they have and are creating. Because now! there are those who somehow believed their vain words and expected more: again!
Darryl wrote – “God will help ALL who look to him” – Is it possible God will help all who read His WORD without twisting and wresting to support their OWN Doctrine, and who LOOK to Him?
If and When the reality of the 2×2’s Doctrine really becomes more than just ‘warm, soft, and fuzzy Doctrine appealing to those unlearned in God’s complete WORD; and uninformed about 2×2’s beginnings and History: “Thoughts” you CAN EXPECT this ALL to be normal behavior and reaction for the sooo called ‘Truth’.
Why? Read 2 Corinthians 11:13 -:15: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the ‘apostles’ of Christ……..
Thoughts: No, this is NOT an inflamed response. This is a response because of hours, days and years of DEEP study to try to understand how we were reading God’s Word as written and NOT finding this soft, warm and fuzzy cocoon; we were trying to live. “You must do what the Workers say!” – Was our only guidance and explanation.
Being “silent”! IS WHAT allowed this deceit and exploitation to be rampant!
Very very true, silence has gotten us in a big mess, to put it plainly.
Thoughts. What does this have to do with CSA/SA if Scott was forwarding something sent to him?
It has EVERYTHING to do with CSA/SA, because it is talking about silence. This has been the protocol used for years to cover up
CSA/SA.
Don’t you suppose this was why Scott sent this article about silence, to try to imprint on people’s brain that silence is the best route to take in many situations in life, including CSA/SA. I’m positive that’s his motive.
A child was smothered to the point of brain damage while being abused, Scott knew about this. CSA.
Do you not think it is in Scotts best interest to try and get people to believe silence is gold.
There is a time to speak, and a time to be silent.
This is the time to SPEAK.
I’m disappointed in your thoughts, they are not helpful at this time in the present situation.
As for why private letters were posted? Surely you can see that they are relevant to this crisis and the way things are handled.
I am much more concerned about the horrendous sexual abuse that has taken place, than someone’s private letter being posted, which I believe was relevant in part to the same problem CSA/SA .
And you ask, what does it have to do with CSA/SA/ 😳😳😳😳😳
Telling us to sit down and shut up, is not going to work. I love the Kingdom of God, and I love those in the ministry who are against having predators in our meetings and who are making it evident in their lives who is leading them…and it’s not the overseers, it’s God.
How or who brought this to our country, I don’t care. William Irvine might not have been a perfect man, but neither was David or Abraham, and God used them too! What I care about is, are we following what Jesus spoke about for His people. What was written, is for ALL people, not just the Jews. They counted themselves unworthy, so the Gospel of Jesus was taken to the Gentiles by Paul, and we are so thankful that a man (one who many thought was evil, and horrible in every way) was willing to humble himself to do as God asked him. Paul counted the Gentiles as filth, which is why God used him. Over and over throughout the scriptures God seemed to be doing nothing about situations, when he was actually testing the people. Then, when things seemed completely impossible…God won. He always wins! He could see what every single predator was doing, and because no one that He should have been able to work through (ministry) would do what needed to be done, he did it Himself…in a way that no one could deny!
We no longer will be silent! Nor victims of those who lord their authority over us. We are not following the ministry, we are following Jesus. I will continue to test the Spirit of every speaker, in every meeting, and if you support predators being allowed into our meetings, I will promise to turn you in to local authorities (that is the overseer AND the elder), I will call you out on it, and you are not welcome in our home. If you are choosing to stand with Jesus…and His people, you are most welcome!
Astounded,
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I know that you have put a lot of thought into your thoughts. But anyway we can disagree and that is not unhealthy. The only thing I cannot understand is, why you feel so happy and satisfied to be released from the bondage of this very wrong way and have finally started to correctly understand the Bible and how/what we should be doing as a result. But the reality is that you can’t escape “this way”. You state that you are very concerned that they are still considered “staff”. But why, if it’s no longer your church, are you concerning yourself with the workings of the church? I thought you moved on already? You said your response wasn’t inflamed – but the fact that you have any response at all shows that you’re still very much bound to this fellowship whether or not you want to be. So… take it as a sign. Soften your heart, let go of your anger. Try to find peace with those that you loved for so many years. And try to be a part of the solution from within. We get inflamed and upset regarding things that are out of our control. Those of us who are still a part of the fellowship – it doesn’t mean that we are complicit in all of the wrongs – it doesn’t mean that we are even accepting of them. We all want change. We want you with us as well, where you can help us make the changes we all need so that even you can find satisfaction in a fellowship that is closer to what you believe than anything else you’re going to find out there. We all need fellowship.
…”if you gave credible evidence of misdoings, suddenly everyone can’t help but believe you”.
JULY 9, 2023 BY WINGSFORTRUTH2
Letter to Scott Rauscher from a Child Sexual Assault Survivor’s Parents
July 2, 2023
JULY 27, 2023 BY WINGSFORTRUTH2
Letter to Scott Rauscher
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“The problem is that there are in fact many people who do love and appreciate Scott and they cannot comprehend what others have experienced with him…For example, If you had told people that Dean Bruer is evil, who would believe you?”
Scott Rauscher wants to silence multiple credible accounts of evidence. Scott Rauscher, like Dean Bruer, will always have, “many people who do love and appreciate Scott (and Dean) and they cannot comprehend what others have experienced with (them).” It’s called worker worship. They cannot comprehend what others have experienced with them. They focus on their charismatic leader, and not Christ. Many people would walk off a cliff today following after Dean Bruer and Scott Rauscher. They cannot comprehend what others have experienced with them.
Where is Shultzey the overseer of the overseer’s been lately.
He is mostlikely lying low, tucked away somewhere safe.I don’t think there has been a sqeeck from him since D Bruer.
From what I’ve heard, it sounds like the attorney’s have warned them all to keep their mouths shut. There’s enough vomit that’s come out of them to put them away for a long time, and there’s hope that if they keep their mouths shut that they could get lighter sentences.
Exactly, Un-thoughtful. Some would rather believe in Scott, Ray, Dale etc. than admit that they have been duped. Even Warren Jeffs who is in prison for running a cult and being a child rapist still has fawning followers who refuse to believe that he could do wrong. It’s hard to admit that one has been wrong and has been led so far astray, easier to pretend that all is well.
Very well said, “Even Warren Jeffs who is in prison for running a cult and being a child rapist still has fawning followers who refuse to believe that he could do wrong. It’s hard to admit that one has been wrong and has been led so far astray, easier to pretend that all is well.” Amen, BEHOLDER, Jim and a wide path of other “followers” cannot let themselves see any wrong, because to them, the workers equal God! The workers are God. Jesus dying on the cross, for our sins, and then rising again? That is ignored. The workers “sacrifice”, now THAT is prayed about in every Sunday morning meetin. The King of kings and His sacrifice? Silence.
There are some as you say, but the majority do not believe as you claim. Our eyes are wide open, and we are NOT going to sit down and shut up as Scott is demanding we do. We are NOT following the ministry. The ministry is sick, and cleansing is taking place, but we do love and respect those who are honest and continuing, because God called them for a purpose. No man could fix it more effectively than God…which He is doing. I choose to have patience in my faith, because I know, He will fix things like no man ever could. I’ve been shocked at the idiotic ideas and choices that have come from so many of our ‘overseers’. I am here for every victim, and I hope each one has a listening ear to hear them, and that they have access to the support of every kind they need. I’ve spoken to several, and having a therapist and the rapid eye movement therapy seems to be the most effective, but if that’s not for you, please seek the help you need!
‘When you have been duped, it is far easier on the psyche to just continue on with the lie’, paraphrasing a psychiatrist’s response to an interviewer who had asked ‘in the face of overwhelming factual proof, how can anyone believe Trump won the election’, (again paraphrasing).
Remember, this doctrine was started by a charismatic, fiery preacher (Wm Irvine) who got dozens of men and women (sometimes entire families) to give up all worldly possessions and follow him, preaching his gospel. ‘Saints’ were converted with the promise of salvation if they stayed true to the ‘Living Witness Doctrine’, ie profess, follow the rules, regs, and rituals, get baptized, and stay true to the end. This unscriptural doctrine continues to this day as the ‘Truth’, in spite of Irvine being booted and ghosted around 1914-15 when he had that inconvenient and pesky revelation that the age of grace had come and no one else would be saved. Overseers of that time (George Walker, Jack Carroll, John Hardie, et al) and their followers, continued with the ‘Living Witness Doctrine’, and made people believe that their salvation was in the hands of the workers. Hard for believers to not worship them out of fear of displeasing them and ‘losing their place’. And overseers, as men the world over are wont to do, fell prey to the unfettered, unwarranted, unscriptural power granted them by the ‘saints’, and spiritually, and in many cases physically, abused them.
Nothing new in the world, I’m afraid.
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Is there a doubt in anyone’s mind that Scott would have covered up Robert Corfield’s abuse if he could. The credit goes to one of Robert’s victims who was brave enough to report his abuse to Cynthia. Dale Schultz already covered it up and I have no doubt Scott would have continued the coverup.
A number of workers on the MT/WY staff have lauded Scott for his concern for victims. It turns out Scott is very concerned for victims of Dean Bruer. He has demonstrated absolute disdain for victims of any other abuser out there. Scott’s actions these last 6 months are not the actions of a man who loves all souls.
Mesnuc, you are right. His actions are proving that he’s not seeking God’s help. I believe he definitely would have covered up Robert’s criminal behavior had he not been outed by one of his victims (yes, I meant to add an ‘s’ because there’s NEVER just one). Scott doesn’t get the magnitude of the issue, nor does he care to understand. Plenty of well educated people (who are NOT against the Truth) are begging him to do the right thing, and he’s choosing to thumb his nose at them. All the while telling those of us that DO care, to sit down and shut up.
When the Ministry/military creates a criminal vat/atomic bomb, and it finally explodes…there’s going to be lingering aftershocks, and it’s going to leave radio active material that needs to be cleaned up. This shouldn’t take decades, if these men who claim to be overseers were honest, it would have been cleaned up in a week or less!
But, the Overseers of each state are not following Jesus teachings, so…there’s that too. Jesus addressed the ministry’s mumblings amongst themselves about “who would be the greatest” or in otherwords who would they look up to, when Jesus was gone, and Jesus nixed that immediately. So, when you have a bunch of men who think quite highly of themselves, and they accept a higher position within the ministry…you won’t be getting Godly advise or help, because they aren’t seeking it, mostly because they don’t have time, even if they wanted to!
The scripture does back up putting people out for false doctrine, for criminal behavior, and things of that nature, but, not because an “overseer” disagrees with them, or doesn’t like a gross allegation, or things along that line…and Yes, there’s forgiveness available to all mankind (unless they have spoken against the Holy Spirit or not forgiven someone), but that doesn’t gaurantee them fellowship with those who are choosing to serve God.
Thankful
I just want to say thank you to wings for all you have done in as nonjudgmental a format as you have. You have provided a site on which we feel safe to share. Keeping silent is not the answer to this far reaching, decades long problem. It is serious. Thank you to those who are longing to be part of the solution by what you share. We love the fellowship we have when we meet together in our little churches. We don’t want to go anywhere else, but we do want the safety of the people to be of utmost importance. God has intended that love be our banner, because love works no ill to his neighbor.
Well said Carla
I didn’t want to go anywhere else, but I can’t stay. Even the little meetings are run by corrupt overseers.😔
No Confidence, I know the Elders aren’t perfect, but most disagree with what is happening in our fellowship. They are also learning that if they DO allow a predator into their home, without informing the whole congregation (and telling any visitors that call about coming to their meetings that they are allowing fellowship with a predator) that they can personally face prison for “knowingly offering up children as new victims”. So, talk to your local law enforcement and find out what your state laws are, and then approach your Elder with that information, so that they are aware that they are risking family/life as they know it. If the Elders finally understand how serious this is, and that people are in touch with law enforcement about it, they will either ask for the meeting to be removed from their home (because the overseer is being stupid) or the Overseer will have to change, because if they don’t, there won’t be any homes left for people to gather in, until things can be made right.
No predator has the right to even ASK to attend a meeting. If these predators truly want to be in fellowship with God, they will choose to not attend ANY function where children would be present and would cause temptation, just as a recovering alcoholic (or whatever their addiction is) wouldn’t choose to go to a bar every Saturday evening to hang out with all their friends…while trying to sober up.
Carla, thank you for putting this so well and so concisely – “amen” to all you have expressed.
Like you, I love our little meeting in a home and continue to attend, despite our distress about all that is being uncovered in the wider fellowship. No Confidence and many others have made a different decision which I respect. I DON’T feel comfortable attending gospel or special meetings at this time, because for now in many areas even sincere workers still must labor under the “control” of “overseers” who have displayed corrupt and misguided judgment. It’s a source of continuing pain that this fellowship is hobbled by the persistent “authority” of such “overseers.”
I know there are many of us who desperately wish there were a better way to support friends and workers who genuinely share Jesus’ love for souls, and to preserve what we all value about our fellowship, without also appearing to condone the unresolved damage done by some individuals. We need to continue to pray and seek opportunities to be truly helpful.
Observer, I appreciate what you shared here. I feel very much the same way. It’s a very delicate balancing task.
Thank you, Carla. Appreciate your post too!
Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute” (Proverbs 25:11)
“Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.”(Colossians 4:6)
“Sound in speech which is beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be put to shame, having nothing bad to say about us.” (Titus 2:8)
“The mouth of the righteous is a fountain of life” (Proverbs 10:11)
“The tongue of the righteous is as choice silver” (Proverbs 10:20)
“The lips of the righteous feed many,” (Proverbs 10:21)
“If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal” (1 Corinthians 13:1)
“The tongue has the power of life and death, and those who love it will eat its fruit” (Proverbs 18:21)
“the tongue of the wise brings healing” (Proverbs 12:18).
“But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort” (1 Corinthians 14:3)
“Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen” (Ephesians 4:29)
Love this!
This is great…and there’s so many more that could be added to this.
Not sure if Doyle Smith will see this but why is Kent Williston in Idaho-Oregon special meetings. He will not be welcome in our home. Also got a message that Lyle was in a home bunch of homes wherever that was. Don’t care if he was in 10 thousand homes. What has that got to do with anything.
It would be more effective/helpful to call Doyle with this. I know some who have talked to me are also letting their local workers know that “anyone supporting predators, in any way, are not welcome in their homes” which is causing some bumps in the plans, but I am very glad they are standing tall against the abuse! We even got word that one who was to visit around Washington was sent home to AZ because of his support of another who was outed. We appreciate Darryl not keeping him on the tour.
Rauscher has admitted to following several “soft porn” (his words, not mine) sites in a letter dated February 14, 2024 that was addressed to the Montana & Wyoming Staff and Friends. Wonder if Wings can post the letter. Not sure when this bad behavior will end.
Rauscher’s letter and a follow up letter from three “sister workers” in the Bozeman, Montana “field” can be found on Facebook – “Exposing Abuse: 2×2”.
Isn’t ironic that the man that said everyone should “study silence” is shouting from the roof top with his letter to all on Valentine’s Day that he follows “soft porn”; the leader of the homeless, without spouse ministry?
Yes, and even more proof that any overseer who is harboring the predators has stuff in their own closet that they don’t want known! No sane, God fearing, human would allow them anywhere near gatherings/groups of people. It is well documented that they NEVER stop seeking their next victim/s…so, that means every place they go they are looking, and definitely NOT attending meetings because they want help!
Some claim the predators need forgiveness and to be allowed back. I agree they need forgiveness, but not until they admit to their sin, admit to whom they harmed (not just one of the victims, but ALL of them), admit they were wrong, and turn themselves into authorities, because what they were doing is not “just a sin”…it is a CRIME. They can get help, and will personally understand that to be well, they will CHOOSE to NEVER be in attendance of a meeting or gathering of any kind where children or vulnerable humans might be. THEN, we can forgive them. But, bringing them back will never be an option, because we love them too much to force them to attend, when they know in all honesty that they can’t. THIS is what true kindness and mercy looks like.
I sent the letters to Wings, and am hoping they will post them (the letter from the sister workers that he had groomed into thinking he was a great overseer, and the one he admits to the porn…because he didn’t want to police going through his computer! Wonder what he’s actually hiding?
Thanks henoffour – in addition to CSA/SA guidelines, cult leadership will know have to put out guidelines on what types of porn are acceptable to view. When will this sick behavior end?
@Bucky – I got the feeling the way he worded his explaination was to “soften the blow” as to what he was actually up to…like “Soft Porn” wasn’t all that bad? What?!!!! What is wrong with these men?!! So, just because a women agrees to be on a site like that it’s acceptable?
My grandfather wouldn’t even purchase gasoline on a Sunday, so that he wouldn’t be found guilty of not planning ahead, which in turn would cause someone else to have the excuse to not be in church/meeting on a Sunday…”because they HAD to work!” Because he understood, it was the Lord’s day, a day to be thankful for the one who died for every soul in the world. Yes, he understood that not every soul would choose Jesus, but he didn’t want to be one of the reasons why they felt they had to earn money that day, instead of worshipping and giving thanks.
It seems many have lost their fear of the wrath of God.
Henoffour – think the problem with Scott, Dean, LeRoy, Don, Robert, Leslie, Horace, Loren, Eldon, Jeff, Ira and all the rest is that they were and/or are serving there own carnal needs instead of God. What makes it worse is that they are doing it under the pretense of being God’s only true ministers. Plus, their international travel, vacations with cult members, computers, and internet service are all paid for with the hard earned dollars of others.
Henoffour, I agree. As you said, “I got the feeling the way (Scott Rauscher) worded his explaination was to “soften the blow” as to what he was actually up to…like “Soft Porn”. Just ” Soft Porn”. Scott Rauscher, like the late Dean Bruer, lives a “double life”. In the one instance Scott Rauscher writes regarding the Dean Bruer debacle saying, “The ministry seeks to help and support each and every soul, and we apologize for any way that we have failed victims in the past”. In the next instance Scott Rauscher tries to explain his “Soft Porn” “likes”, that he has on his Facebook page. A friend once said, time heals every wound and also, time wounds every heel. So true. The leadership is showing their hand. For the membership, they can get it’s cue from a once popular song chorus that goes, there’s a time to hold them, there’s a time to fold them, there’s a time to walk away and there’s a time to run. This is the time to run.
The letters have been posted. Along with even more evidence of his inability to lead a donkey, let alone a group of people who are/were counting on him to do the right thing and get the wolves out (ZERO Tolerance).
Bucky – More and more people are waking up, especially parents who have children that are still coming forward. These “overseers” that are still in the ministry (except perhaps Darryl) are continuing to damage and/or kill the flock…what will it take for them to wake up? The HUGE (over 200 persons) Gospel Meetings have dwindled to perhaps 40 people, if they happen to all be home for the weekend, in two of our larger cities…ours is anywhere from 12 – 20 of us (that includes the workers). We used to have 80+ in attendance.
henoffour – after ABC News airs their report of CSA in the cult in Spring 2024, the numbers you quote for gospel meetings will drop even further, maybe even to zero. Doubt that anyone will even rent a room to the cult workers due to CSA related liability issues. It may be time for the cult remnants to jump on the last available lifeboat before this ship sinks beneath the dark blue sea forever.
Scott Rauscher quotes, “(Prov 25:28) He that hath no rule over his own spirit Is like a city that is broken down, and without walls”. Scott Rauscher then, months later, sends out another letter telling that he, “has admitted to following several “soft porn” sites”? Scott Rauscher said he did not have time to go through the study of Bible verses for remaining silent and yet he is spending time on porn? And, Scott Rauscher is an ” overseer”? What is soft porn? Soft porn is books and movies showing sexual activity that is less extreme than other material of the same type with hard core porn and yet it is porn! Scott Rauscher is telling people what he needs to hear; “He that hath no rule over his own spirit Is like a city that is broken down, and without walls”. Scott Rauscher, like other “overseers”, is the leader. Where is he leading to?