96 thoughts on “Wings for Truth”

1. I wish I had this help 33 years ago. I dealt and still deal with the vicious repercussions of the 17 years of abuse of my father. It totally distorted and robbed me of my childhood and the true understanding of truth. Aug 2011 I made my choice with the true and beautiful understanding ….so glad this is here.

   • Very recent years 2x (Workers}jailed in Victoria Australia,one 12 known victims,other the gossip have him down as over 30, Police had a long list of victims,”but with the help of local 2×2 Elder they had his sentence suspended, Wendy Northy the Barrister used costs $thousands a day,She is also often used by our horrid underworld figures.Then again is their crimes any worse than to be molested by an antinomian Gospel preacher? Magpie (exvictim of more than “ONE”preacher}..Sadly if you needed help no go,as they being an unbiblical preacher only ministry,as they don’t agree with “Jesus gift to the church” as in Ephesians 4 v 11/12,there was no one to turn to,and the blinded adults would scoff “who put that in that boys head?”=XXXXis one of God’s chosen servants. So you were left out in the cold and alone.

2. I will like to know more please..suesan

3. I haven’t read anything about the issue of the young sister workers being sexually and mentally abused by the older sister workers. Is this going to be addressed too? There are many cases I know of and none of them have come out

   • I 100% agree it needs to have a light shown on it. Huge problem! The mental abuse is HORRIBLE

4. Hi! How do new names get posted? There is someone who should be on here but I don’t see his name…He committed CSA against children in Hawaii while living there. Hodgie Holgersen. He is currently in VA. he was arrested recently in Chesapeake, VA.

   • Do you have a newspaper article or a court record to substantiate this? WINGS volunteers would be grateful if you did as convictions don’t get posted without documentation. WINGS relies on participants like yourself to bring these forward.

     • Please see my last post.

   • Yes, I agree, his name should be documented with his court case number.

   • Here is Hodgie Holgersen’s charge information, as found on Virginia’s Judicial System website:

     CR23000293-00
     Offense date: 10/02/22
     Charge: Indecent Liberties with Child <15 years old
     Hearing: 12/11/23

     CR23000293-01
     Offense date: 10/02/22
     Charge: Aggravated Sexual Battery: Victim <13 years old
     Hearing: 12/11/23

5. Was this man actively going to meetings?
   I live in western part of Virginia.

6. There is absolutely nothing edifying about this wicked website. I’m reminded of Hymn 278. A wise worker wrote that, and one verse speaks about how he had to deal with many similar situations. “Oh for the peace of a perfect trust, that looks away from all.” I pray you can learn to look away from the sins and shortcomings of others and stop turning so many hearts against the Truth and sending them to hell.

   • I suspect this is a parody post.

     If not, please be advised that in most jurisdictions, covering up crimes is considered a criminal act.

     Also note. To edify is “instruct or improve (someone) morally or intellectually.” At its core, that is what this “wicked” site exercises.

     • I most certainly did not advocate for anyone to cover up crimes and you know it. You are the one running the extrajudicial gossip and slander channel. Making and allowing unproven and inaccurate accusations that are ruining people’s lives. Posting emails that are clearly marked private. Stirring up new outrage about cases that were decided in court years and decades ago. And worst of all, defying those who have spiritual authority over you.

   • Not okay to let this continue. This is horrifying. By attitudes like yours, the entire situation has been allowed to grow to enormous crimes. This is not what real truth is about.

   • I have worked out who you are. I am horrified by your comments. I am a professing friend and this website is doing far more to help victims than wrong. So much evil behavior by Workers, this deplorable behavior has been going well documented for over 20 years. Evil prospers when good men do nothing.
     You as a worker need to read and think about what I have written below. Enough is enough. We are disgusted when we see men who are not Christian’s sexually abusing. These are supposed to be our spiritual shepherds. Pure evil hypocrisy.
     NZ has one ex worker that has multiple victims all over the country and has never faced prison as he should. Ruined young lives.

     Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”

     To those who abuse: the sin is yours, the crime is yours, and the shame is yours. To those who protect the perpetrators: blaming the victims only masks the evil within, making you as guilty as those who abuse.
     Stand up for the innocent or go down with the rest.

     In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.

     • This is an excellent post. You are absolutely right: if anyone has knowledge of a sex offense occurring, and they do not confront it directly, they are complicit, period. This gives the perpetrator(s) the green light to continue with their nefarious behaviors.

     • I completely agree with all you said. Thank you

     • In spite of this site being managed by professing people, it is fellowship-neutral (ie will not denigrate nor promote) and child/survivor centric. That policy was set almost 15 years ago and remains a firm policy.

     • Thank you

   • Turn away? Friends have trusted the workers to deal with things for over 40 years that I’m aware. The period of grace has gone. I notice you have little to say about the fact that each perpetrator has usually multiple victims. Each one of those children will have as a teenager and adult a life time of physiological trauma to battle with. Forgiveness and restoration comes after honesty, remorse, repentance and a consequence paid for there action. THEN and only then can restoration happen. Workers do not have spiritual authority over us – God has, with the guiding power of the Holy Spirit. Workers are Shepherds of the sheep and preachers of the message of Christ to bring salvation to the broken hearted. The lowliest of men, who are filled with humility and grateful for open homes and the care that is offered. Tending to the flock but caring for the wounded individual. Care – the provision of what is necessary for the health, welfare, maintenance and protection of someone.
     I suspect your a worker, concerned about your spiritual authority being challenged and power over others. Very sad shameful post.

     • I appreciate your post. There are many good workers amongst us who are doing the right thing and living the right life. Unfortunately, there have also been some who have perceived it as a position of power and felt entitled. Bad things have happened at upper levels in the kingdom … but there are not supposed to be levels in the kingdom. Maybe God is bringing down false structure. Even calling a worker a shepherd is something we’ve heard over the years, but is it biblical or is it a tradition we’ve become accustomed to uttering without thinking about what we’re saying?. Once Jesus came, He was THE shepherd, not one of the shepherds. He sent his apostles out as labourers, and as sheep in the midst of wolves, lambs among wolves. I can’t find anywhere in the New Testament that talks about the apostles as shepherds, or even under-shepherds. I truly believe that all of this is being exposed by God, to restore his kingdom.

     • Suzanne, thank you for your courage to speak up. I am half a world away, we do have a lot of wonderful workers in New Zealand that are greatly valued.
       You make a very good point about the the one and only true Shepherd. I agree with you totally.
       I believe we need to go back to scripture, where Paul appoints Stephen and other Elders to administer and deal with church affairs.
       The Workers need to turn their focus outward into the world – stop sitting back waiting for the friends to bring people along. Go on public transport, drive into cities and walk the streets with warmth and kindness speaking with the lost and broken hearted. Walk the highway and byways. Paul didn’t want to sit around in the safety of the new church. He truly labored for lost souls.
       Suzanne, good laborer’s are urgently required to rise up. These overbearing men need to be removed. The damage they have done and are doing is enormous.

     • So many workers I seem to witness now throw their “authority” if that’s what they like to think they have, around. Condemning friends for things they consider as sin that you can see yet they have hidden so much. Some think they are superior and above us, not servants. Instead they tell us what they want to eat, where they want to sleep, sometimes take our cars and are unreachable. They are jetsetters with the friends money and love to talk about their “tours” as if they are celebrity world travelers. This is nothing like what I read of Christ teachings.
       Now some are confessing their sexual escapades but will they be told they no longer can have a part? Like they have chosen to impose their judgement on some? Of course not. They will still get up and tell us how we should dress, how we should raise our children, what we can have in our homes., advise us on marriage. I feel so disappointed, and mislead.

     • I so appreciate your post. I remember asking a worker one time. What does that verse mean. “Obey those who have the authority over you. ” Her reply was, the Workers. My reply to her was, I am only obedient to GOD, not, you or anyone else. She didn’t like that, and then things went downhill from there. Another worker was in my home and was abusive, verbally. Angie Long! I quit going to meetings after my experience with her. I was a single woman at the time and taken advantage of by them. God knows my heart. I don’t need anyone to rule over me. He rules

   • I’m sorry, did I just read ‘have spiritual authority over you’? 🤯😬🥴⚡️

   • I am not accusing you of being mentally unstable, but you are speaking as though you are

     • Then why say what you did if not accusing

     • In answer to, why did I say what I said.
       jwnz has suggested that, quote” Oh for the peace of a perfect trust, that looks away from all.” I pray you can learn to look away from the sins and shortcomings of others and stop turning so many hearts against the Truth and sending them to hell.”

       In my humble opinion, no stable minded person would suggest this, understanding the atrocities we are facing.
       Far from looking away, we need to really focus on this problem before we can move forward.

   • JWNZ it’s not hard to work out who you are. You can be so helpful yet so harmful. This website is far from wicked. I’ve been told that you’ve wept for victims yet you call this website wicked. Doesn’t add up to me. Why look at something you think is wicked? The workers in New Zealand have treated victims appallingly for years so please don’t bash people who are trying their level best to advocate for those exact same victims.

   • Patrick Thompson
     No I think we need to look into these wicked acts, not away. People who commit these acts are going to hell , I pray for Christ love and mercy on these victims. The whole meeting/worker cult needs to be disbanded and destroyed.

   • I am just amazed that you could think like this. Did Jesus do this in Matthew 21v 12-17? He surely never turned a blind eye did he? So it is perfectly okay for children’s lives to be destroyed, familes be destroyed all in the name of keeping the peace? Really?

   • You need to wake up. If anyone is turned away from the cult you still are in because of this website, it certainly doesn’t mean they are going to hell. To be turned from the truth doesn’t mean you have turned from God. What in the world are you doing on this website in the first place?! Stop being led blindly. Go speak to God directly. Self righteousness at it’s best. Shameful.

   • Looking away from the sin of CSA is synonymous with ignoring the responsibility to address and call it out.

   • Unfortunately, looking away from the insideous sin of CSA allows it to continue to harm innocent people.
     Seems to me that a perfect trust looks away from all of the things that tempt me to sin, not to ignore things like pedophilia.

   • Yes let’s ignore sin and evil as in the Old Testament, causing generation after generation to be separated from God….(cue my righteous indignation, as when Jesus flipped the money changers tables)

   • Read Mt 12:43-45. Yes, wickedness must be dealt with. But if it is done with the spirit of vengefulness, hatred and self-righteousness, then the end is worse than the beginning. Our children must be protected. I agree. All sin is wrong. The problem with this type of sin is that it most directly threatens vulnerable defenseless children. However, let us not get on our high horse. We also sin. Compassion is needed towards victims. It is also our responsibility to pray for the perpetrators. Did the perpetrator grow up thinking, “I want to be a child molester one day?” I have personally known 4 child molesters. One was torn up inside by what he had done. He is now gone. He loved truth and I felt he had a good spirit. He is now dead. One committed suicide, feeling so helpless to overcome his inward feelings. The two others I pray for.

     • Gale,
       I agree that the attitude and spirit when dealing with this has to be right, otherwise we will make a bigger mess. I also wonder how many perpetrators were abused themselves…sad that the cycle just seems to continue.
       The big question on my mind and heart is, what needs to change in this church in order to prevent this stuff from continuing at such an alarming rate? Can things change enough that this sect would still exist? I’m not sure. We’re praying everyday about this and for all to see God’s truth, us included.
       But we also know that regardless of how we have fellowship, & despite whatever rules and regulations are set forth by MEN, Jesus saves. Only Jesus. Not Jesus and….
       Thanks for sharing your view<3

   • You need to take Ministry Safe. This is criminal acts that is going on within our ministry and brethren, against our children and rape against our women and sister workers. If you know what’s going on and don’t report it you can be liable (especially overseers and elders as they are mandatory reports) This website is not evil it is those who have been criminals that is evil, and must be stopped now

   • What?? Turn away from CSA? Because of a hymn you likely misinterpreted? This surely must be a joke.

7. Several have referred to a worker as Thingy Middleton. Can anyone tell me why?

   • Could you please tell me where (which posts) you have seen Middleton referred to?

     Thank you.

     • I don’t remember. But at least 3 posts or letters. I haven’t figured out how to maneuver to get back to anything but will try to find it.

     • In survivor’s stories, a Sheri uses thingy Middleton at least twice.

     • It is not Sheri using that, it is the program making the automatic switch for what it sees as vulgar language. “thingy” = Dick

     • Thank you.

     • Thank you!

   • Because he was Dick Middleton. Perhaps someone was worried the first name was offensive.

     • Middleton refers to Richard Middleton, Overseer of CA (and western states) now deceased. During his time in the ministry, was he accused of any CSA/SA?

8. Are you willing to offer up names of those who run this site for the sake of transparency? If this is for the help of others it would be good to be aware of those who contribute and those who regulate. Anonymous sources and writers can be considered shady.

   • What would you like to know?

     • Thank you. I received a quick response and a link to some names which is much appreciated. We are all wanting a clean ministry and glad God has moved in his time to make this so, and with education and awareness we hope it will bring a stronger trust to those who are truly faithful and true in their call to be servants of God.

9. I appreciate the brave souls that have come forward and have brought this out in the open. https://www.advocatesforthetruth.com/about-us

   • Same here. It takes real courage to raise issues that many people would avoid because of the horrifying and gruesome nature of.

10. I appreciate the work done here. Transparency protects us all. Myself, my mother and siblings, all suffered emotional abuse from my father. We kept it a secret. My grandfather, an elder with Wednesday night meeting in his home began sexually abusing us children , after Sunday morning meeting, when we were invited to lunch, and my mother was at work. In an effort to protect my siblings, I told my mother. She told me that I wouldn’t be believed, and ” to stay away from him”.
    Last year, my sisters told me that my grandfather moved on to them, and they were also abused.
    It was bad enough that those our father destroyed our confidence in men. Our grandfather could have been stopped.

11. In the list below make sure to add Peter mousseau

12. To Overseers, Workers and Concerned People.
    The Abuser’s have only, when confronted with Sexual Abuse and Child Sex Abuse actions confessed under duress. Not through remorse, regret or from a stricken conscience. They have continued for years, leaving multiple victims with a lifetime of physical and physiological consequences.
    So how do they behave when caught and what should we expect from a remorseful, repentant heart. What attitude should we expect from them and identify as evidence of repentance.
    An Abusers 3 Reactions:
    1. In order to escape accountability for their crimes, the perpetrator does everything in their power to promote forgetting.
    2. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of the victim.
    3. If they cannot silence the victim absolutely, they try to make sure no one listens.
    ABUSER: the sin is yours, the crime is yours, and the shame is yours. YOU should only be shown kind consideration when you show the fruits of repentance. YOU need to do whatever it takes to make things right and to demonstrate you have changed.
    1. YOU name your sin as sin and do not spin it or excuse it.
    2. YOU demonstrate “godly sorrow,” which is to say, a grief chiefly about the sin itself, not just a grief about being caught or having to deal with the consequences of sin.
    3. If found out, YOU confess immediately or very soon after and “come clean,” rather than having to have the full truth pulled from you. Real repentance is typically accompanied by transparency.
    4. YOU have a willingness and eagerness to make amends. YOU will do whatever it takes to make things right and to demonstrate you have changed.
    5. YOU do not contact the victim. If they wish to meet, it’s on their terms and YOU are patient with those you’ve hurt or victimized, spending as much time as is required listening to them without jumping to defend yourself. YOU don’t pressure them or “guilt” them into forgiving you.
    6. YOU are willing to confess your sin and reveal other victims even in the face of serious consequences (including undergoing church discipline or having to go to jail)
    7. YOU may grieve the consequences of your sin but you do not bristle under or resent the consequence. YOU understand that sometimes your sin causes great damage to others, that is not healed in the short term or perhaps ever.
    8. If your sin involves addiction or a pattern of behavior, YOU do not neglect to seek help with a counselor, a solid program, or even a rehabilitation center.
    9. YOU don’t resent accountability, pastoral rebuke, or church discipline.
    10. YOU seek your comfort in the grace of God in Jesus Christ, not simply in being free of the consequences of our sin.
    11. YOU are humble and teachable.
    If you are sincere in repentance your life will show it.
    I am new online.
    I have read pleadings on this website for over 20 years that are reflected exactly in the current uprising call for action over the last couple of months. Righteous indignation driven by contempt, because of disgust at something perceived to be morally incorrect. However, it’s falling on the deaf ears of the Overseers. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. They are doing the bare minimum waiting for it to all die down and go away.
    Evil prospers, when good people remain silent and neutral. If you don’t stand up for something, you’ll fall for anything….. Stand up for the innocent, or go down with the rest.
    My prediction is that eventually this will destroy all that we hold precious within another 20 years.
    When you stand before CHRIST will your call for justice, for the vulnerable and victimized have been heard?

    • It is very important that allegations of CSA/SA be reported to law enforcement authorities immediately. To neglect this step sends a message to the perp that their actions will be overlooked and this empowers them to keep on offending. There may not be enough evidence to get a conviction or jail sentence but others will know you aren’t going to put up with this kind of behavior.

    • Your 11 points are spot on. That’s what true repentance looks like. We must insist on seeing evidence of true repentance.

13. Source Black Eyed Peas song lyrics (We can learn from, and feel corrected by others. Flee from self-righteousness, coldness, and lack of compassion. Donate at advocatesforTHEtruth.com):
    “What’s wrong with the world, mama?
    People livin’ like they ain’t got no mamas
    I think the whole world’s addicted to the drama
    Only attracted to things that’ll bring you trauma
    Overseas, yeah, we tryna stop terrorism
    But we still got terrorists here livin’
    In the USA, the big CIA
    The Bloods and The Crips and the KKK
    But if you only have love for your own race
    Then you only leave space to discriminate
    And to discriminate only generates hate
    And when you hate, then you’re bound to get irate, yeah
    Madness is what you demonstrate
    And that’s exactly how anger works and operates
    Man, you gotta have love just to set it straight
    Take control of your mind and meditate
    Let your soul gravitate to the love, y’all, y’all
    People killin’, people dyin’
    Children hurt, hear them cryin’
    Can you practice what you preach
    Or would you turn the other cheek?
    Father, Father, Father, help us
    Send some guidance from above
    ‘Cause people got me, got me questionin’
    Where is the love (love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love, the love, the love?
    It just ain’t the same, old ways have changed
    New days are strange, is the world insane?
    If love and peace are so strong
    Why are there pieces of love that don’t belong?
    Nations droppin’ bombs
    Chemical gasses fillin’ lungs of little ones
    With ongoin’ sufferin’ as the youth die young
    So ask yourself, is the lovin’ really gone?
    So I could ask myself really what is goin’ wrong
    In this world that we livin’ in people keep on givin’ in
    Makin’ wrong decisions, only visions of them dividends
    Not respectin’ each other, deny thy brother
    A war is goin’ on but the reason’s undercover
    The truth is kept secret, it’s swept under the rug
    If you never know truth then you never know love
    Where’s the love, y’all, come on? (I don’t know)
    Where’s the truth, y’all, come on? (I don’t know)
    Where’s the love, y’all?
    People killin’, people dyin’
    Children hurt, hear them cryin’
    Can you practice what you preach
    Or would you turn the other cheek?
    Father, Father, Father, help us
    Send some guidance from above
    ‘Cause people got me, got me questionin’
    Where is the love (love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love? (The love)
    Where is the love, the love, the love?
    I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder
    As I’m gettin’ older, y’all, people gets colder
    Most of us only care about money makin’
    Selfishness got us followin’ the wrong direction
    Wrong information always shown by the media
    Negative images is the main criteria
    Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria
    Kids wanna act like what they see in the cinema, yo’
    Whatever happened to the values of humanity?
    Whatever happened to the fairness and equality?
    Instead of spreading love we’re spreading animosity
    Lack of understanding, leading us away from unity
    That’s the reason why sometimes I’m feelin’ under
    That’s the reason why sometimes I’m feelin’ down
    There’s no wonder why sometimes I’m feelin’ under
    Gotta keep my faith alive ’til love is found
    Now ask yourself
    Where is the love?
    Where is the love?
    Where is the love?
    Where is the love?
    Father, Father, Father, help us
    Send some guidance from above
    ‘Cause people got me, got me questionin’
    Where is the love?
    Sing with me y’all (one world, one world)
    We only got (one world, one world)
    That’s all we got (one world, one world)
    And something’s wrong with it (yeah)
    Something’s wrong with it (yeah)
    Something’s wrong with the wo-wo-world, yeah
    We only got (one world, one world)
    That’s all we got (one world, one world)”

    • Wow – powerful lyrics. Very, very true.

14. Ray Hoffman, Barry Barkley and other big cheeses have remained silent. Could it be that they have retained attorneys who have told them to stay quiet and not incriminate themselves?

    • That’s a chilling thought. I hope not, but I think we probably can’t rule it out, sad to say.

    • Ive been wondering the same thing?

15. I remember growing up during the Jerry Falwell scandal, the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker scandals and wondering how can people not see through them and leave that church. Well here I am asking the same question of myself. I pray to get an answer. I can forgive but the continued coverup and lack of transparency is discouraging. Also not being honest about how “Truth” started doesn’t help. I know of one worker who has been honest about how it started. Most people are willing to forgive maybe a good start would be letting everyone know the History.

16. Well, it turns out that going public isn’t the best idea. There is a lot of backlash. To all those out there who read my post. I’m sorry, I never meant to hurt anyone by speaking up.

    • Pamela, I feel badly that you’re apologizing for what you wrote before. I don’t think you should have to. It took a lot of courage. why is it that we all feel we have to keep silent for the sake of other people?

    • You were not wrong to speak out.

    • I speak out a lot, and get a bit of backlash. My daughter expressed concern about that to me. I said ” when I am confident I am standing up for what is right and just, no amount of backlash has any effect.” And it doesn’t. Yes, if you speak the truth it will hurt some people, but never apologize for it. Just try to speak it in a way that it will be heard.

      • When a person stands for what us right, getting backlash is a given. It let’s a person know it was the right thing to do.

    • Pamela, I’m so sorry about that. I don’t think I read your initial comment as I found this site later. But I can tell you feel really bad for hurting others that you care about in the process of having the courage to speak out. Abuse is such a terrible beast – we all know the victim is traumatized. But it’s traumatic for so many others in so many different ways, especially the family of the abuser, shame and betrayal. Please find comfort in knowing others care and understand – maybe we cannot exactly 100%, but based on our own experiences.

17. Report to someone, but don’t tell anyone your name.

18. It is appalling that there has been a backlash against you because of what you have shared here of your lived experience. You did not reveal any names but your own so most of us will not know who they or you are. Those lashing out at you are holding a huge red flag over their own heads, and sadly this is so typical of family and fellowship dysfunction, showing cruelty and contempt but also stunning cowardice. Stand strong dear sister, this site (Wings) and many of us who read here will support and protect you to the best of our ability.
    WingsForTruth states that their objective is “to provide information, support and guidance on every aspect of CSA and to support victims of CSA.”

19. Is there a master list of those who have exhibited suspiscious behavior? Not that one would ever want to encourage a witch-hunt, but it seems that there are some among us that are capable of harming others, but either there is not enough evidence or nobody is brave enough to come forward officially. I’m in a situation where at times, my children have to be in places with people that I don’t trust. I have no say in the matter as of yet… I want them to be safe and if they ARE around someone who has exhibited potentially dangerous behaviors in the past, I certainly want to know.

    • No. Databases do exist but it is almost impossible to publish due to libel and defamation laws. You would have to make private inquiries.

20. JWNZ posted earlier in this thread :
    “ And worst of all, defying those who have spiritual authority over you.”
    Hard to figure out how someone could have any type of authority over you if this is not an “organization” which is how they want to be presented. And how utterly arrogant to think that any mortal man could have spiritual authority over anyone. No man comes between an individual and his or her God of choice. This is outrageous !

    • S Schmidt, it was a rather bizarre comment for sure, even more so in the light of what’s going on right now. I guess I would just say that the comment from JWNZ is not indicative of the views of everyone, and we don’t really have any idea who the person is. Maybe someone who is threatened by the loss of the status quo?

      • Yes, it is very sad that some would have us obey workers rather than Jesus. I professed and was baptized by a pedophile. He supposedly was in “authority” over me. Can anyone really think that is okay?

      • Typical gaslighting and shaming behavior

21. Seems like JWNZ is only interested in defending these paedophiles and sexual deviants .The victims can go to hell.

    • That’s right! That is all he cares about.

22. As a professing person living in New Zealand close to 60 years old I find the comments of JWNZ absolutely disgusting. There is a reason why pedophiles can’t be housed in the general prison population, that is because even the low life’s of society despise men who rape children. These men are not human but sub humans and to trivialize their crimes is an insult to every true Christian. JWNZ if you don’t feel any empathy towards the hundreds and hundreds of victims who have life sentences of emotional trauma, then please keep off this site.

    • Amen. it is incomprehensible to me that anyone would defend a child abuser.

23. Words from a Servant Heart.

    (Please note: This letter was credited from a certain person. I have found out, that the author suggested was incorrect – however I personally have found the spirit of this letter very wise as we find ourselves dealing with the current issues within the Ministry.)

    You wrote about a serious decision that you would like me to make on your behalf. I am sorry to have to tell you that I cannot make such a decision for you or any other saint in God’s family.

    Most of us who have accepted the simple way of Christ have come from a traditional church background. In such a system, religious leaders are usually willing to make the type of decision that you are looking for. In fact over the centuries, some leaders not only made definite decisions but they exercised absolute control. The horrors of the inquisition are a testimony to this.

    Some of us have been called to lay aside the natural burdens of life to be free to follow God’s leading to new areas of the harvest field. In this endeavor, we never want to develop a clergy mentality. Just because we have fortified postion and status or because we accept no salary or because we possess no formal religious education is or enough to pervent us from developing the prespective of high priest. That position was abolished when Christ became our high priest. He continues forever, has an unchangeable periesthood. Wherefore He, is able to save the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

    If we ever think we able to make better choices for others, or that we have a superior vision for the future or even that we have ultimate responsibility for managing the church, we have become modern day hight preist, we will have expropriated the rule of the Holy Spirit, who is abundantly available to each believer and we will have usurped the place in the body belonging to Christ and to the Christ alone. Jesus’ teaching was always invitational, never controlling. He drew people to Himself by His infinite love, never a forced response. To attempt to do otherwise is to lack faith in the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Jesus said to the crowd and His disciples. You have only one Master, even Christ and all of you are like brothers and sisters. None of you should be called the leader for One is your Leader even Christ. Whoever is greatest should be called the servant of the others. If you put yourself above others, you will be put down. But if you humble yourself, you will be honored. As a church, we must never stray from being an equal brotherhood of believers.

    When an attitude of loving guidance shifts to one of control over the others, it must be banished from the life of a servant of God. The willingness to control other’s lives can creep up on us, luring and deceiving us into conveying believing that we know best. It may start with the most noble intentions or by a straightforward request for help, but power is dangerous.

    It would have been easier to be casual and gloss over a difficult situation than to be honest. However, real love dictates honest communication. Jesus was often very direct in His public preaching and private counsel. All Christians need the alert vigilant spirit of the Old Testament watchmen on the city wall. Remember that unless the Lord guard the city, the watchman stays awake in vain! If the saints settled in home life become overly dependent on the itinerant ministry, they will fail to grow and mature as they should. Imagine parents who supply children everything so that they grow up dependent, helpless and unable to function.

    I can imagine situations developing where some saints would lack even the ability to give a simple account of their faith and feel the only intinerant ministers are equipped to speak about spiritual matters. How different this would be from God’s food design where every plant produces seeds. Friends might eventually look to others for absolute answers to questions of doctrine when God’s word and the Holy Ghost are abundantly available to each. Like Jesus, we must all become more dependent on the Father, not on the ministry.

    For this reason I do not dare to make a binding decision for you. In the meantime I want to assure you that we love you deeply and will pray earnestly that God will reveal His Holy will to you.

    You brother in Christ.

    (Please note: These closing words are written by another person on a public forum. They are honest and wise and better than I could have written.)

    If we were following this man’s advice years ago, we wouldn’t find ourselves in the situation we are in today. We are witnessing what happens when the workers and elders override the spirit and become controlling of other people’s lives. Being controlling and manipulating is NOT of God. When we desire to control others, we open the door for the enemy to come it. We all struggle with this to some degree. However, there are some who cannot function unless they are controlling someone else. Controlling others is a drug, you can never have enough and you can never be satisfied. I have heard that most sexual crimes are for nothing else but to control someone else. It’s all about control.

    We must give up the idea that we have to control others. We must allow the Spirit to lead our lives and trust that God will lead the lives of others.

    • Astounded Reply to a servants heart: A servant is required to know the will of his Master. Our Bible is a very simple, clear record of our Master’s mind and will. It is very evident you do not know the Master’s mind and will: nor even know or want to know God’s heart. This is armour of God. Ephesians 6:17. Without this, what you have is :11-12.

      Your solution is to know God’s Word which Peter explains to those of that chosen Nation of Israel::
      ((Matthew 15:24 Jesus explains he was only sent to the Lost Sheep of the
      House of Israel) and tells the 12 apostles John 20:21as my Father hath sent
      me: EVEN SO SEND I YOU!))
      Peter explains to those Jews scattered from that church Acts 2:47 in Jerusalem concerning the salvation of their souls 1 Peter 1:9-13 that: :11 what the prophets wrote when they signified WAS the -Spirit of Christ- which was in them.
      If this is true; then you must read and know every word and will of Christ which is our Holy Bible —or you do NOT know your Master’s mind or will. You do not even know the reason Jesus was made flesh John 1:1-“:11” nor to whom Jesus was sent – John 1:49 – Matthew 15:24, John 18:33-:37
      Nor what Jesus preached. Math 2:2, :6. Math. 4:17, :23,
      The 12 apostles whom you follow, were to receive the Holy Spirit and
      Acts 1:8 be witnesses unto Jesus beginning in Jerusalem and Judea:

      Those 12 whom you say you follow: Do you know to whom they preached?
      Do you know why they did not continue to preach?
      Do you know to whom Peter explained “whom” God had NOW given wisdom; even tho Peter found this wisdom hard to be understood?

      This servants letter was written decades ago; but even those who now like to think they are servants; have not or dare not – to understand God’s heart, or God’s mind and will. How can one expect them to be upright and root out evil.

24. If you have not suffered at the hands of an abuser you can not understand the trauma one suffers. Whether it is at the hand of a sweet worker, a professing person or a family member. It should never be covered up. Some abused children are fortunate enough to be able to grow and deal with their ordeal others are not so fortunate. Growing up in this faith I was fortunate enough that the workers staying in our home were good people, but many of the so called professing members of the congregation were perverts and child molesters.

    • True story!!

25. After reading through these CSA/SA victim letters and the comments, do not know why anyone would ever want to be within 10 miles of any male worker. One by one they are being exposed as very bad people.

    • There are still some good ones. I personally feel confident that the two who were in the area where I listen to gospel meetings are good workers, and will be among those who rebuild a Jesus-led ministry.

26. Unfortunately this attiude of silencing the wrongs still prevails. There was a Worker’s meeting held at the time of Seagrave convention here in Ontario, Canada and the following week the Elders of the churches received a letter to be read out to the various churches. The instructions were to not talk about or gossip about these things that are coming to light

    I am sick at heart to think that these people thought they could get away with this ! They don’t seem to remember that all is revealed because God see’s all. The scriptures tell us that “For there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed: neither hid, that shall not be known.”Our Father knows all and it is obviously his will that these things are getting revealed.!!

    It seems that we are crucifying our Lord Jesus again by defiling his way !

    What an example!!! Let us all help to remove those that are committing these acts so that all are protected, children, young sister workers, young women, young companions, etc.

    a child of God

    .

    • That is horrifying … and heartbreaking. I hope that there are no elders who complied with that. I can’t even comprehend that there is anyone who thinks that is the way to handle this. I had originally hoped that the information coming out would be so devastating in its impact that there would be an immediate move to change things. Instead, in so many instances, we are seeing a hunkering down to maintain the status quo, as if they think we can or will unsee and unhear what has been revealed world wide.

27. You need to take Ministry Safe. This is criminal acts that is going on within our ministry and brethren, against our children and rape against our women and sister workers. If you know what’s going on and don’t report it you can be liable (especially overseers and elders as they are mandatory reports) This website is not evil it is those who have been criminals that is evil, and must be stopped now

28. Jerome Frandle is the biggest fraud I have ever met and I’m not just talking about “meeting people”, professing people, or what ever you want to call them. I have worked in the court system my whole career and have dealt with the worst on this earth, especially lawyers. No one holds a candle to Jerome. Not only did Jerome fail to report child sex molesting that he personally knew about, Jerome tried to wiggle out of the arrest and court case against himself by saying he was NOT a minister and had no such duties! Other than “…in some cases minister” and “baptize” believers of the faith. It was argued Jerome ” could walk around saying he was the president of the United States.. The fact that he calls himself something does not in any way implicate his legal status in a court of law”. Jerome also stated, “There is no unified chain of command. There, in fact, is nothing”. It was argued there is no ” organization ” or “authority”.

    Jerome is supposed to be a man of God? Jerome IS a leader in the ” truth” but yet has no idea of what truth is, even in a court of law, that depends on truth for justice to prevail. Jerome is a self serving, self righteous man in a position of power and has no wisdom, or at the least, much less than many common criminals. Jerome has sat on a leadership role for many, many years and ran the area like a king. Then he goes to court and knows nothing and is nothing. Not like Jesus, but then no man is.

    P.S. I know Jerome very well. He operates with a select inner group of characters and there is much more that can be said. But, for now there’s getting less room to hide, Jerome. ….Read the court documents if that sort of thing interests you.

29. Thank you for what you are doing. And thank you to the brave women coming forward. Real CSA *needs* to be brought to light. I admire that you only post names of those that have proof, indictments, or convictions. I am VERY concerned that some people are having their lives ruined without any proof. The page about JVDB is especially concerning. I’m not saying he didn’t do anything, but there is NO real proof on that page. I posted the following comment there, but they moderate their comments so I’m sure they’ll decline to post it.

    Comment on the JVDB site
    While I have NO DOUBT there are some CSAs within the faith, the evidence on this site is lacking. I have numerous similar pictures of myself with my parent’s friends during the 80s and NONE of them ever touched me. Times were very different back then and we can not and should not try to retroactively apply today’s standards to past actions. You do understand that this man has had his life RUINED, right? I don’t know him, but there is simply not enough evidence here to be certain he did anything at all. Because of this inconvenient fact, you should be VERY careful that you aren’t actually bearing false witness. Due to some very real incidents, it feels like people are looking for more sin everywhere and anywhere. That’s literally called a witch hunt. As God will be judging your actions and works, I’d think twice before openly accusing someone of such heinous things without any real evidence. I find this very concerning when there are likely very real abusers and victims out there. You run the risk of putting REAL accusations under suspicion by posting possible fake ones without substantiating facts. If you have more (real) evidence, you should post it. What you have now is not enough and makes it looks like you’re destroying a person for no reason. I mean, did you ever stop to think that he simply needed to support himself from falling over when he knelt down to take a pic? This is a tiny snapshot in time and in no way reflects what happened before or after. Context is crucial, and you have none. He kissed a girl? Where on her body?? In what way? For how long? Because if he just dropped a kiss on her head, that was very common back then. My grandma would have been a rapist because she did it to every cute kid she saw. You should really rethink what you’re doing. And I mean that in a caring way. I’m afraid for you, that you will be judged harshly by God. Very harshly. “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”

    • What is your standard of “proof”?

    • What is the JVDB site?

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