Concerned Friends Proposed Letter to Australia / New Zealand Overseers

WINGS Note:  A group of friends have written a response to the latest letter from overseers in Australia and New Zealand. They would like as many concerned and connected friends as possible to sign this letter before they send it. 

You can open the following links to see the letter and fill out the signing form. They will be sending this letter on Saturday, 26th August. You can share this with anyone who would like to add their name in support.

Letter: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M7v9hB-2Os4A2tu8xMJhMoSkChC0-oLR/view?usp=sharing

Signing Form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSckG5Oen2PMwjCt2pxYdevxH6of0aI2j3FasPFY8kt7XNexDQ/viewform?vc=0&c=0&w=1&flr=0&usp=mail_form_link


Dear Malcolm, Graeme, Wayne, Trevor, Alan Mitchell and Alan Richardson,

We would like to acknowledge your letter of the 18th August, 2023, communicating with the friends  and workers in Australia and New Zealand, the work you are undertaking in response to the church’s  concerns of prevention of child sexual abuse within our fellowship. In the interest of transparency, working openly and your invitation for all of us to support each other throughout this process, we  write this letter in reply. We have drafted a letter to the friends and workers of Australia and New  Zealand and will be attaching a copy of this letter for their viewing. We also welcome you to share this  information widely. This will open up dialogue to ensure that the measures being put in place have  input from all stakeholders and in accordance with standard two and three of the Child Safe Standards  of the Royal Commission undertaken in Australia (Commonwealth of Australia, 2017).

“Standard 2 – Children participate in decisions affecting them and are taken seriously.

a) Children are able to express their views and are provided opportunities to participate in  decisions that affect their lives.

b) The importance of friendships is recognised and support from peers is encouraged,  helping children feel safe and be less isolated.

c) Children can access sexual abuse prevention programs and information.

d) Staff and volunteers are attuned to signs of harm and facilitate child-friendly ways for  children to communicate and raise their concerns.

Standard 3 – Families and communities are informed and involved.

a) Families have the primary responsibility for the upbringing and development of their  child and participate in decisions affecting their child.

b) The institution engages in open, two-way communication with families and  communities about its child safety approach and relevant information is accessible. c) Families and communities have a say in the institution’s policies and practices. d) Families and communities are informed about the institution’s operations and  governance.”

At a recent meeting of concerned friends, a discussion was held regarding your letter of the  18th August, 2023, and we would like to present you with some feedback to help inform the advisory  group. We hope they will be able to address some of our concerns and that our questions will help  them in future decisions. In the absence of a direct contact on the advisory board, we are  communicating in this way in the hope that everyone is informed. For future communication, we  request a direct email to the advisory group. It has been noted that some survivors do not feel  comfortable to go to workers due to past traumatic experiences and would not feel comfortable with  information being filtered through senior workers.

While your focus is the protection of children and victim-survivors, it seems that we cannot ignore  other members in our fellowship that will take on a significant amount of risk due to the roles they  have. Risk assessments for these contexts need to be worked on transparently, as a matter of urgency. For example, our convention owners and families who have fellowship meetings in their home. How  can we assure them that they are protected from risk? How will they be involved in this process? Are  there contingencies in place such as appropriate insurance cover? Will visiting workers from overseas  hold the relevant child safety checks that are equivalent to our Working With Children Checks  (WWCC)? There is a duty to consider this aspect of our fellowship. It raises the question if conventions  and fellowship meetings should continue in the immediate future until appropriate safeguards have  been put in place.

Further concerns and questions have been raised and we would like to summarise them for you:

• Your letter expresses a desire to be open and transparent and highlights that the members of  the advisory committee wish to remain anonymous. While we understand the need for victim survivors to be respected in this process, these two points appear to contradict each other. Also, you mention that the group will need support of each one of us as they progress. How  can we offer this support throughout the process if there is no direct line of communication?

• In relation to your point of ‘consultation and engagement will be needed from time to time’ – there is a view that this consultation should occur right from the start. How does the advisory  group confidently report on the effect of CSA in the fellowship if they do not ask for survivor  stories from the beginning? How can they quantify the effect without substantial knowledge?

• Further to quantifying ‘effect’, how is that measured? Are they measuring the mental trauma  or the financial cost of after care? Are they counting families or individuals? Are they counting  historical cases where the predator/perpetrator has died? What is their scope when  completing risk assessments? Given the complexity, it would be advisable that these risk  assessments be conducted by a third party to avoid any conflict of interest or legal  ramifications.

• Who formed this group, when was it formed and who decided who should be part of this  advisory group? Was there a transparent, democratic process in its development?

• If the advisory group members do not offer the facility to engage with the wider community,  how can stakeholders have input in the process if they are only communicated with when the  advisory group deems it necessary? You may view it as avoiding external pressures or  distraction but from our perspective, it is in contradiction with the Child Safe Standards – ‘families and communities have a say in the institution’s policies and practices.’ What process  will be provided for collaboration?

• Thank you for providing us with the break down of the group. We would also like clarification  of demographics of the group. For example, how many are from New Zealand and each state  of Australia? Are all contexts being taken into consideration? It would be advantageous to have a separate advisory group for New Zealand that is in communication with the Australian  advisory group, considering there would be a possible difference in laws. It also establishes  local support for victims and accountability of the ministry in this region.

• Will there be accommodation within future planning to ensure these groups are victim centred  and will there be opportunity for listening groups/collaboration with the wider community?

• You highlight that all members of the advisory group have relevant clearances and training.  However, these clearances do not assure other victim-survivors that the current members  have not covered up abuse within the fellowship in the past. With this lack of transparency, it  is difficult to develop trust in the process.

• How long a term are members of the advisory group volunteering for? Will there be a rotation  of people on the group to share the load long term? An advisory group will be needed  indefinitely considering the scope of abuse and there is a need for it to include elements of  advocacy. It would seem that it is not a ‘one and done’ scenario.

• The advisory board is to advise the ministry and has expressed a desire to act impartially. How  can this process be impartial if there are workers on an advisory group that are advising the  workers? This appears to be a conflict of interest. Also, as overseers, you have knowledge of  who these members are but the community you serve does not. You have an advantage of  being able to communicate with them that we do not have. This does not promote impartiality.

• Further to the topic of impartiality, there is a concern that an advisory group, while coming  from a range of professions and experiences, cannot remain unbiased due to their connection  with the fellowship.

• We were made aware that the advisory group is going to use publicly accessible material to  inform their risk assessments and guidelines. Will an independent lawyer be engaged to  ensure that they are sound and rigorous enough to align with current Australian and New  Zealand legal standards? Once again, the engagement of a third-party is needed.

• How is ‘zero tolerance’ of harming of children defined by your ministry? We are aware of a  number of people still in our fellowship meetings that have allegations and convictions. When  will your ‘zero tolerance’ be followed through?

• How will our fellowship be made aware of the advice given by the advisory group? What  accountability procedures will be put in place? How will we know that the advice being given  has been informed by the law and stakeholders and implemented to fidelity by the ministry?

• You have acknowledged in your letter that the scope of work to be completed is large and  there has been a prioritisation of tasks to be undertaken. Can we please be provided with an  indication of areas deemed the highest risk that will be addressed first?

• In relation to accountability of the appointed overseers, what provisions will be in place there?  Would there be a procedure where grievances could be communicated and acted upon?

Important concerns raised that require an urgent response are repeated below:

Due to the imminent preparations and conventions in Australia and New Zealand, further  clarification is sought on the progress of risk assessments and safety procedures for these  gatherings. This needs to be done in a timely and collaborative manner to ensure all  measures can be in place.

Provision of an email address to communicate directly with the advisory group to ensure a  transparent, collaborative approach throughout the process.

Once again, thank you for being proactive in beginning the process for change. We hope that this  feedback will help you as this important work continues. As mentioned, we will share this letter with  the friends and workers of Australia and New Zealand as an attachment to their letter so that they are  aware of the concerns raised, avoiding a duplication of questions inundating the advisory group. We  look forward to a formal published and shared response to these concerns being addressed, in the  interests of transparency.

Yours in gratitude,

Concerned and Connected Friends of Australia and New Zealand


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20 thoughts on “Concerned Friends Proposed Letter to Australia / New Zealand Overseers”

  1. What confidence can friends have in this non transparent unknown group that taken it upon themselves this spokesman role and is now seeking their support? Will there be transparency and disclosure to help nurture confidence?

    1. They’re all in Concerned & Connected Friends. Easy to see who is active and figure it out. Too many to sign all their names I’m guessing… but they’ll be on signatures on the poll!

    2. Just clarifying who you are referring to as the ‘non-transparent unknown group’? If you are referring to the Concerned and Connected Friends, you can join us on the Mighty app where there is transparency and disclosure. When this letter is formally published, all signatures will be included and you will be able to view them. If however, you are referring to the advisory group, I am unable to answer for them and I am not sure how you can contact them at this stage.

    3. Who is behind the letter signed by the 6 men? Who wrote it? Did all aust /NZ workers read and approve before sending out on their behalf?

  2. Thank you! Yes! I was referring to the non transparent unknown promoters of :
    “Concerned and Connected Friends of Australia and New Zealand”

    Please provide the link to the ‘Mighty app” you refer to.
    I’m surprised that joining the ‘Mighty app’ is necessary for learning who the spokespersons/promoters of the letter are!🤔

    Disclosure of those who request in bold
    “• Due to the imminent preparations and conventions in Australia and New Zealand, further clarification is sought on the progress of risk assessments and safety procedures for these gatherings. This needs to be done in a timely and collaborative manner to ensure all measures can be in place.”

    Seemingly ignoring the assurance given by the six Overseers:
    “We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year.” 🤔

    Perhaps thousands of Aust/NZ friends and workers will consider signing the letter? But some transparency and disclosure?

    For “Concerned and Connected Friends of Australia and New Zealand” promoters to display what they are asking of others; transparency and disclosure!

    1. Thank you for clarifying traveller. As you can see, I have put my name on my post in the interests of transparency. I am acting on behalf of the members on Concerned and Connected Friends who have raised these concerns. I am not posting under a pseudonym………. I am hoping the following link works for you https://connected-and-concerned-friends.mn.co/spaces/11570094/chat. If it does not, I am sure you would know someone from the 3680 members from around the world that you could ask to send you an invite. We understand the need to put our names to this letter and we will. However, we are also wanting to provide an opportunity for the wider community to offer their support. Yes, the overseers have committed to providing additional details in regards to conventions but we are asking for dialogue in this process.

      1. Oh he won’t want to sign up to the app. That would require his mug shot and full name. It’s all about abuse and attacks. Time he pounded the pavement looking for the needy and knock off the attacks.

    2. Seems like you’re more concerned about a ‘group’ that you can get access easily to the names, to an advisory committee that no one has any access to except maybe the head honchos – An advisory committee that was hand picked by who knows who? Oh well. Thanks for stopping by traveller. Is that your real name?

      1. Traveller goes under several different names but never his own. If you look at the comments on the TMB forum, you will see mention by other posters of his several aliases.

  3. Traveller. What are you travelling away from. Many many cases of workers not being transparent with this whole sexual sexual sexual yes deviancy carry on. You don’t post under your own name so why should I .

  4. Sharlene you have ‘beat around the bush’ and haven’t answered the question that potential Australian and New Zealander signees will be asking:
    Who are the promoters /spokespersons of the presently undisclosed, non transparent
    “Concerned and Connected Friends of Australia and New Zealand” ?

    The six Aust/NZ Overseers put their names to the statement they released.
    Why don’t the promoters/spokespersons of:
    “Concerned and Connected Friends of Australia and New Zealand” do the same?

    You allude to being required to have to join the ‘Mighty ap’ , as you refer to it?
    Even then disclosure and transparency of the promoters/spokepersons of this Aust/NZ initiative seems uncertain? Whew!

    1. Let me help you traveller. Names still being added (asking for signatures). They will be provided to the recipients the letter is addressed to and distributed. If you agree, sign. If you don’t agree, don’t sign.

  5. Potential Aust/NZ signees will be wondering why the unnamed Australian New Zealand promoters/spokepersons of “Concerned and Connected Friends of Australia and New Zealand” seemingly ignore the assurance given by the six named Aust/NZ Overseers:

    “We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year.”

    rather asking in bold
    “• Due to the imminent preparations and conventions in Australia and New Zealand, further clarification is sought on the progress of risk assessments and safety procedures for these gatherings. This needs to be done in a timely and collaborative manner to ensure all measures can be in place.”

    Friends in the main are trusting, taking the Overseers at their word of what they say will happen.

    But not the Australian New Zealand promoters/spokepersons of “Concerned and Connected Friends of Australia and New Zealand” ?
    🤔

    1. Sadly, for safety reasons, I will not be using my name.

      Traveller, I would just like to reply to your line “Friends in the main are trusting, taking the Overseers at their word of what they say will happen”

      While this may be true on some levels, I am sorry to say that that trust is fading.

      This letter, which will be signed by hundreds of our friends, is just an effort to hold the Overseers accountable to what they have promised, asking for clarification on some points, along with open, transparent dialogue that goes both ways.

      Unfortunately, there are just too many cases where Overseers have not done what they said they would. If they have the good and honest and wholehearted intention to follow through and remain accountable, this letter should not feel threatening. It could even be welcomed with love and willingness to listen to the cries and concerns of the flock.

      1. quiet observer,
        My observation: “Friends in the main are trusting, taking the Aust/NZ Overseers at their word that what they say….will happen”
        If your experience and trust is different I accept that!
        One assurance given:
        “We will provide additional details for managing visiting workers and child safe guidelines for convention prior to conventions starting this year. We will regularly update you as we progress.”

        Simple: IT WILL HAPPEN!.

        If you feel signing a letter (your safety reasons allowing) drafted by unnamed/ non transparent promoters/persons to named Aust/NZ Overseers is going to make any difference in that….. then go ahead and sign! 😀

        Over the next months as progress is made, they WILL deliver on the other assurances/word given. I am watching and waiting for that as much as anyone else is! 😀

    2. Traveller I think you need to ‘Review’ your purpose in life and take up some ‘international studies’ . Educate yourself in how badly the abuses have been handled and are still being handled.

    3. John Watt New Zealand worker.
      Who are friends in the main john?
      It seems you have a huge issue with anyone asking questions. Is this considered to be defying those who have spiritual authority over them?
      Trust isn’t something YOU can measure. It’s broken. Wake up to the reality
      Ask, seek, knock….read the scriptures to see if these things be so…
      Your “concern” for CSA victims is thwarted by your constant gaslighting trolling and cynical accusations toward anyone asking questions or expressing an opposing viewpoint.
      May I suggest you focus on your ‘calling’

  6. Traveller,
    I appreciate your confidence.
    The “unnamed/ non transparent promoters/persons” are not actually unnamed and non transparent to a large group of friends who are having honest, heartfelt dialogue about their very valid concerns. The dialogue is kind, healthy, respectful. It is motivated by a love for God and for one another. Its purpose is to bring positive actionable change that considers all, especially the most vulnerable among us. It is a conversation that invites any who are concerned about the present situation in our fellowship to connect with each other and talk about their concerns. All are welcome. “Come and see.”
    As a matter of practicality, the conversation is held on a private, online platform (Mighty networks). However, everyone on the platform is named, has a profile complete with a current headshot, and those things are completely transparent to all who are present there.
    Maybe if the overseers (and others) welcomed a discussion about these valid concerns and questions that many of us have, happily discussing them openly, not just with an advisory group, there would be more who could share your confidence.

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