WINGS Note:
Ronda was in South America for quite a few years, before returning to USA.
This anouncement doesn’t mention any reasons. WINGS believes that the reasons are likely to become public and also believes that they do not relate to CSA.
Dear friends,
I have voluntarily stepped aside from the Work.
Someone said in a workers’ mtg a long time ago, that our goal shouldn’t be to stay in the Work until we die but to become like Jesus. That’s a true goal for all of us! Though my position in the Body changes, my connection with the Head, Christ Jesus, and also my salvation, remains unchanged and grows richer with time. I asked someone who’d stepped aside from the Work once, “Do you feel like you have more fruit or less fruit?”. His response was, “I have different fruit”. That will now be a part of my journey too.
Your sister,
Ronda Stidolph
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Well wonder why you have left the worker? Is this an announcement or is it related to the topic for which this website was created
This was personal message for those she knows. Someone else thought it was of interest & added it to this site. 🤔
WINGSFORTRUTH: THIS WAS SENT TO US BY A FRIEND concerning a letter written by Rhonda Stidolph published by WINGS May 18, 2023: The reason: she was just this week present at the family burial of the worker Melvin Leroy Lerwick who died in Arizona in a Memory Care Center after years of degenerate disease passed from his mother. Why is this of importance to Wings? This is just another example of a Homeless, Itinerant Missionary; that claimed to be celibate. He was sent to Ecuador. She was also. Purpose was “To hide the NON-celibate ministry”. She is now employed in capital of Wyoming at the U. S. Postal Service. She was escorted to the burial service by a person of the 2×2’s to this final resting place of her partner. Richard Gasser, the “Overseer of Nebraska and Kansas” led the burial service in the small rural community cemetery in the Nebraska Panhandle where Leroy was born and raised; on April 11, 2024 This is of great importance considering the letter she wrote, above that announces her voluntary stepping down from the work in Minnesota. At that time WINGS noted that the reasons were NOT stated but are likely to become public.
Thanks for that. The report sounds somewhat speculative because there are other plausible scenarios here.
While this kind of information is important to know, our focus at WINGS is the protection of children and support of victims of CSA. It is good to know that there is no known CSA in this case.
Thanks very much for your information. We appreciate all the input of our readers very much.
well astunded. What to say? I guess first it is refreshing that you got the cause of Leroys death and burial place correct. The rest of your speculation not so much.somehow I am not surprised by any speculative garbage you could come up with. I don’t know if you know Leroy or not. I’ve known him for most of my years in this fellowship. I have visited Ecuador many times and seen the love they had for him and his love for them. I have followed his labors as he took the gospel into Columbus to a new area that responded so well, that there are now 5 churches in that area. A place where the friends begged to have a convention in their area, and did all the preparations to make it happen. I have listened to Leroy tell about that area where many of the people have ties to Israel , and he wondered if it was one of the lost tribes of Israel that settled there when they fled the old country.
I didn’t know Rhonda as well but she was not in Ecuador all the times I visited there. I am sure she knew Leroy since they labored in similar areas, and I have no doubt she heard his love for those people and maybe even labored there. I know of many others that were probably moved to go there because of his enthusiasm for the people. Should we speculate about them also. Well over a hundred attended his funeral in CO and his burial, should we speculate about the reasons they were there. Please get real and think.
“Lost tribes of Israel” ? – this guy must have been as crazy as his leader, William Irvine. Did he ever “wonder” about how the horrible crime of CSA was harming kids in South America forever? He and Don Reynolds were good buddies, no doubt. These creeps makes one sick. Gasser of all people to lead the service.
Amen, it sounds like you really “know” about ex-worker Leroy. You act so sure of yourself. You almost sound like the elders in Ohio about a stellar worker with “service” to the underprivileged in foreign countries. They really knew him well, even taking him on family vacations.
Then later they came back like a dog with it’s tail between it’s legs saying, “We are also the couple that traveled to Ireland with Don. We only found out about Don’s child sex abuse last week when he texted us about it. We are as shocked and disappointed as everyone is who knows Don”.
Everyone thought that they knew Don Reynolds. Amen thinks he “knows” so many humans, including ex-worker Leroy who thought maybe he was leading the lost tribe of Israel? To say others have “speculative garbage”, this appears to be the same thing here. Leading the lost tribe of Israel and not having a girlfriend while in the work? Yes, everyone really knew Leroy.
Bucky, before you ridicule and show your ignorance you might want to research the Spanish Jews who first fled persecution during the captivity and then had to flee the persecution in Spain. Many fled to South Anerica. It’s a fascinating story of a persecuted people. But then maybe you don’t care?
yes there is a lot of CSA/SA in South America. In many areas it is hard to get couples to just take the step of marriage. It’s a culture that many of us would be shocked at, but it’s an area that God is drawing people into Himself. And He is doing a marvelous job, without the need for our criticism.
@really knew him. I think I get your point. Those of us who think we know the good in people are foolish and naive. Bit people like you who know the bad in people are smart and educated. thanks for the heads up.
Amen wrote, “I think I get your point. Those of us who think we know the good in people are foolish and naive”.
Actually, Amen doesn’t get the point. Yes, every single human has “good”, if that is what you want to see. Hitler loved his cats and was always very kind to them. Charles Manson also had his good qualities. He made sure he got his cult members food.
The point is that every single human, except Jesus Christ, has flaws. Even Amen has flaws and every night when he goes to bed and every morning when he wakes up,he is thinking of his flaws.
Whether a person has one or two human struggles, or maybe many more, each person has their own unique struggles and flaws. That includes every “worker “. If it’s a struggle with wanting more money, sexual orientation, lust, anger, jealousy, or other sins that plague humanity.
No worker is exempt, just like any other human. And workers are human! All humans sin! All are as “filthy rags “ (look up what filthy rags are). No person is going to be saved and have an eternal life with Christ, unless His Majesty grants us mercy. Workers included.
Christ has no equal. Not even a single worker. Their knees will also bow to the greatness of Christ on that day, just the same as everyone else. EVERYONE, no exceptions, will need the mercy of Christ. And, no person finishes their life faithful to Christ in every way — all are sinners and need His grace and mercy.
”Those of us who think we know the good in people are foolish and naive”. If all you see is the good in a person, you are not only foolish and naive, you are very vulnerable and someone will take advantage of you. Maybe even a “worker”.
@Foolish and naive. Most of what you write is very refreshing to me. A lot of truths. Sorry if you get the impression that I don’t realize that we are all sinners and need Gods mercy. And yes o realize workers have our same struggles. The old man’s feet hit the floor first when any of us get out of bed in the morning.
There is no evidence that “the lost tribes of Israel that settled there (Ecuador)”, just like there is no evidence that the cult existed prior to William Irvine.
Also, regarding “it’s (Ecuador) an area that God is drawing people into Himself”. Christianity existed in South America long before Irvine’s’s followers had enough money from cult members in the States to take their CSA/SA ways to that area.
No more needs to be said since Wings is for CSA/SA victims, not nonsense on lost tribes and that the cult is “God’s only true way”.
Bucky you win again. You are so right, there is no evidence. No evidense that God ever tried to establish a way or that he is working today. No evidense. Now are you happy.
“No evidense that God ever tried to establish a way or that he is working today”? Jesus was sent to be the savior, and He established the way that God intended for people to follow. His way is called Christianity. That is the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. Presently, His beliefs and practices are looked to by millions of people who continue following Jesus established way.
@Amen – maybe it would be good idea to keep your thoughts to yourself until all the information comes forth. You often THINK you know people, but don’t. No one does. I bet there’s things about you that your mother/dad never knew, but they still loved you. I believe there’s another post on here about this women not being kind to her companions, so let’s see what comes forth.
I know you are wanting everything to be okay, and righted, and back to the way things were…which they will never be. It’s not possible, because God doesn’t want it to. This religious group, does not follow the scripture. The first workers were known as “Pilgrims” to the public, but they were known to call themselves “Tramp preachers” or “Tramps”. They chose to only accept the scripture from Matthew 10, but refused to follow what Jesus told them after they returnd home from Israel. Then Luke 22:35-37 is what Jesus changed his Ministry to. Our recent Bible Study in John 16:32 – Jesus was telling his ministry they would be scattered to their own homes. There’s other referrences to their homes throughout the new testament too.
I know it’s hard to comprehend that ALL we have known has been almost 100% false doctrine, and I have seriously struggled.
“I asked someone who’d stepped aside from the Work once, “Do you feel like you have more fruit or less fruit?”. His response was, “I have different fruit””, says ex-worker, Ronda Stidolph. Since ” workers” don’t get married, now it seems Ronda and worker Melvin Leroy Lerwick were both sent to Ecuador “To hide the NON-celibate ministry”. They weren’t allowed to be married, so instead it seems, they were essentially boyfriend and girlfriend living a life of sin while preaching “the gospel”.
“Worker Overseer” Dan Lawty also recently wrote about the “fruit” in his life stating,
“I also have a sorry heart because of my mistakes/offenses/sin, that have hurt you or injured you in any way. I’m sorry and apologize to each of you.
I was thinking early this morning about the grape vine. The beauty and sweet savor of the vineyard is the fruitful vine in harvest time. The purpose of every action in the vineyard is for the branch to bear more fruit””.
Why is the focus on production of “fruit”, instead of living Godly lives? Why not talk normal instead of meaningless jabber that sounds good? Just because it is fruit doesn’t make it good, or Godly. Look what Eve and then Adam ate.
It was good for food, meaning it was edible. It was pleasing to the eye, which means it was attractive. Finally, they thought it was desirable for gaining wisdom, which means they thought they would gain something from it. By the way these are the same trappings of sin.
The path that workers Dan Lawty and it appears, Ronda Stidolph took was pursuing after the same fruit. And now they want to produce more “fruit”?
God created man for intimacy and a relationship with him, but from the very beginning this was not a forced relationship, it is a chosen relationship. From the beginning until today God gives every human the same free will. We can choose to follow and obey, or we can choose to go our own way.
Why can’t workers just simply say that, instead of saying something meaningless about “fruit” and trying to sound like they are spiritual when their agenda shows that they are not?
saying something that is actually meaningless and
The concluding part of, Call it like it is…
Workers saying something that is actually meaningless and offensive. It would be much better if they simply said what they mean, and mean what they said. Instead of trying to sound like they are spiritual and profound, when they are neither.
Thank You all for clarifying what is really important. In Ecuador are nameless and unnumbered churches doing missionary work. Each come home with abundant enthusiasm and many stories. Of course we do not know of all their trials and their failures. BUT all need MONEY.But we do know of the failure of accepting; acknowledging; and correcting CSA in the ministry IN Colorado by the above ‘minister’ and his reaction to a desperate father for his little girl. THIS plea from this father was ignored and he was excommunicated! His only sin WAS, “he wanted to bring a known CSA/SA continual offender to light and demanded “his removal”. This Father had other fathers support until they melted under the Loving Care and Concern of Godly workers. WHY??? To protect any and all helpless children and clueless sister workers from the very same trauma afflicted on his daughter. This father was able to do and accomplish so much more than 99.9% of all members; yet he IS YET the object of deep hate. This Father had the backing and the support of other fathers until they melted in ‘yellow butter’ under the “loving Care and Concern of THEIR of their pious – religious ‘overseers”‘of WHOM LeRoy Lerwick was being trained AS A “son”. He was passed this test with flying colors! He was very able to follow their lead and “STOMP” unabated on a Father fighting to protect innocent girls and women. That is the subject and the purpose of this site. That is why it is on this site. Amen; please tell us Leroy was able to admit his mistake and STOP this Ira Hobbs of ALL further criminal attacks on women and children. We will inform all those in Missouri.
If Leroy was able to refind one of the Lost tribes of Israel, we will need to notify God to rewrite part of our Bible. It is prophecied in Ezekiel 37:15 – :22. Matthew 19:28 Jesus in his very own words ‘explains’ ”the 12 tribes of Israel will be RULED = Judged by the 12 apostles when Jesus sits on David’s throne in the 1000 years of their promised, covenanted perfect Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. In Jerusalem is where Jesus sits on David’s throne.
In Acts 2: 5 Peter records there were at Jerusalem, Jews, “devout men out of every nation under heaven…. Jews”. Acts 2: 5, :14 men of Judaea; :22 Ye men of Israel; ((Yes, both the 10 tribes of the northern tribes and the 2 tribes of Judea – :36 therefore let “ALL” the House of Israel Know. Ezekiel 37:15 – :22 (Peter shows prophecy has been fulfilled. Maybe those Jews think they have been found: but remember the workers do not follow the 12 apostles “doctrine” of Acts 2:41 – :46. A letter written by Leroy when he returned to the U.S. shows him quoting the ‘apostle Paul’ who’s given the Gospel for the Gentiles (Ephesians 3:1-:9) the ‘Dispensation of the Gospel’ to the Gentiles = “Grace of God”: which had been kept hid in God till Paul! Whose Hope is in the Heavenlies Eph. 1:3; 2:6: not in the perfect Kingdom of Heaven on a perfect earth in Israel promise Holy Jerusalem.
@astunded, no need to ask God to rewrite the Bible, we just need you to read it right. Not sure how you missed that part about there being no difference between Jew and gentile, but God is anxious to bring the Jews in right now just like us sinners. The more I thought about your saying that they will all be in Jerusalem when their time comes, made me think of one who descended from the Spanish Jews that settled in our area. We have enjoyed his fellowship a long time. I will refrain from telling him he needs to get a plane ticket to Jerusalem so that God can properly deal with him.
Amen: thank you for your reply of April 21, 8:21pm. We are still asking you to inform us of Leroy’s ability to go to that father and help him in his goal to remove Ira Hobbs from his position of criminally abusing and destroying victims and their families; WHILE doing so in the very Name of God our Father, and Jesus Christ, God the Son. Until you are able to inform us all of this!; then it is impossible to ” to think of ALL His great works as anything BUT the works of satan”: his ministers be transformed AS “ministers of righteousness”. Because those works are NOT of God. Let us do evil that GOOD may come!!?? Is that the reason you feel justified?
Ephesians 2:11 – :12, then verse :13 explains THAT “But now” ye who were far off = :11- :12 – had no Hope and without God in the world… WHY do they NOW have Hope BUT did NOT? When?
As we are so well educated in the 2×2 Doctrine; it is impossible to actually read what is actually written in our Bibles by the very “Spirit of Christ”. 1 Peter 1:11. Romans 11: explains that because of :7 – :11 (explains what that says in :15) is they are cast-away(but :25 when Gospel of the grace of God to the Gentiles be come-in(finished) “then” God will return to HIS good-news = Gospel of the Kingdom to the Jew :26 – :27. We are sorry you cannot understand. The “spiritual ABUSE of and in the 2×2’s” causes each one unable to actually read God’s Word as written “LEST” they understand… We have been there – Done that!
So Amen: we will pray for your understanding. Ephesians 2:11-12 explain while God was trying to bring His Chosen People=Jews unto himself: that the Gentile “had no hope”, were without God in the world. God through pen of Paul explains that.
The “spiritual abuse” denys us the hope and assurance of Eph.2:4-:9 and Romans 3:21 – :26 and it is by the finished Work of Jesus that God through “faith of Jesus” is able :22, – :26 by Grace to declare ALL who “believe” = “righteous”!
To Tell it like it is. Thank you for what you write.
I agree. And may I requote some of your writing here.
“God created man for intimacy and a relationship with him, but from the very beginning this was not a forced relationship, it is a chosen relationship. From the beginning until today God gives every human the same free will. We can choose to follow and obey, or we can choose to go our own way.
Why can’t workers just simply say that, instead of saying something meaningless about “fruit” and trying to sound like they are spiritual when their agenda shows that they are not?
Workers saying something that is actually meaningless and offensive. It would be much better if they simply said what they mean, and mean what they said. Instead of trying to sound like they are spiritual and profound, when they are neither”.
You see things that many, I believe are not seeing. And I do not expect people to see what I see. I am content to stand alone.
Firstly, I separate in my own heart and mind, the difference between the following two matters:
The first item in my heart and mind is non-negotiable. And to this day, 14 months on, it is evident to me that the ministry of religious enterprise has had no feeling or desire to back up the bus and help these children …those children that are now adults.
But the second item to me in my journey is not to judge the individual. I have a sense, that most people given the talent of an aware and functional mind – their conscience will be their own hardest task master. That is of course, until it is seared with a steamy, hot iron. But what I am judging is the spirit of religious enterprise that has insisted on covering their sin, and the very next day (or hour) standing in the pulpit or home of religious enterprise and telling the people what all the others must do to be right with God.
And no, I am not covering my tracks. The congregation and the world could see in no uncertain terms, Mark S was a fornicator. Not only was it apparent for all to see, but it was well discussed in detail around the dinner tables of those paying allegiance to the spirit of religious enterprise. Ask me how I know. Mark just happened to not be at those dinner tables that day. Sucks to be him.
Now that we have got that out of the way and moving on, may I attempt to move people’s thoughts and meditation, if at all possible, to the clean, crisp pages at the back of people’s bibles. Religious enterprise has convinced the masses that many things in this book is about temporal things that we can touch with our temporal hands, see with our temporal eyes, and hear with our temporal ears. To me, there is one temporal thing in the book that the masses of Christianity, paying respect, honor and allegiance to the spirit of religious enterprise, have missed the mark on. This mark that I speak of, was made itself by religious enterprise. And no, this Mark is not that mark.
So moving on, religious enterprise has concluded, that fornication with the whore is what people have done in the bushes or behind closed doors. In a sense it is true; but it was fornication with the spirit of religious enterprise within the bushes and behind the closed doors within a man’s or woman’s mind and heart.
And that certain fornication will not remain hidden forever. You can bet your whole portfolio on it.
I agree, dealing with deeds in one’s own body and life is one thing and must be taken care of when the Spirit of Righteousness and the Spirit of Love bears down heavy on our conscience. We are all unfinished works. But the one being put to bed with a seared conscience toward the little one’s soul, we can all hope and pray that they awaken from that nightmare.
Mark S writes, “…dealing with deeds in one’s own body and life is one thing and must be taken care of when the Spirit of Righteousness and the Spirit of Love bears down heavy on our conscience. We are all unfinished works. But the one being put to bed with a seared conscience toward the little one’s soul, we can all hope and pray that they awaken from that nightmare”.
That is correct, we’re all ” unfinished works “, with the exception of Jesus. Jesus was always true and faithful, as meeting folk like to say about each other, especially at funeral times. Nobody, except Jesus, was always true and faithful throughout the entirety of their lives, but it sure makes those “insiders” feel good about themselves to say that about each other.
Amen recently wrote, “I have also heard about and known intimately a multitude of friends and workers who have kept true and faithful to their calling just like I hope to do”.
This attitude of superiority, “a multitude of true and faithful humans” is actually an oxymoron. A human, by the very definition, is an imperfect, flawed being. True is perfect, or exact and that is not human. Our salvation is not the result of any of our efforts, abilities, intelligent choices, personal characteristics, or acts of service we may perform.
On our own, our “righteousness” is simply self-righteousness, and vain, hypocritical religion produces nothing more than “filthy rags.” This can be accomplished with a seared conscience. And for the little ones souls?
I witnessed a worker spiritually abuse a young woman, who was not yet an adult. The next week this same worker talked in a meeting about a seared conscience, referring to a frog being put in lukewarm water will never jump out of the water, even as the heat is turned up, boiling the frog.
And, others would say, this “worker”, he’s a true and faithful servant…I know that intimately. That sounds good and makes everyone feel better about themselves and what they are doing. Because at this point everyone in the group is in a pot of hot water.
@Hot water, Rory if you think I am implying in any way that because I feel I have known some who have kept true to their calling that they are therefor superior human beings that have accomplished this on their own. I thought everyone on this site would realize that no one could do so without the help of God, without His Spirit working within, without the forgiveness and mercy of Jesus. My mistake.
To Hot Water and Amen,
May I ask that I sit at the table with you two for a few minutes that we could come to an understanding. And if at the end, we cannot come to an understanding, we can leave the table with no agreement.
What I would like to clarify is the debate about true men and women.
I agree Hot Water, a man or woman’s righteousness is as filthy rags. I like your perspective Hot Water that any iota of thinking that we personally have some form of righteous will actually be self-righteousness.
I agree Hot Water, Jesus kept true to his calling, and religious enterprise put him on the cross, and yet he remained true to his calling, come what may.
I like your analogy Hot Water of the frog in the warm water enjoying the bath until he was boiled.
It reminds though of another analogy. The frog that jumped in the pail of cream and could not get out. So he just kept on paddling and stirring, until the cream stiffened and he was able to jump out.
But in this certain aspect, I agree with Amen; there is potential in the heart of a man or woman to remain true to their calling. But I challenge Amen, consider what being true to our calling might mean.
I will say my piece, and then we can move on if we don’t agree.
All these men and woman in the ministry, save a few that have bailed the campaign bus of religious enterprise, I perceive have not remained true to their calling in Christ Jesus. They started off with a calling that they all professed to be true to, but it was not long before they clothed themselves with the garment of religious enterprise. The force against them was daunting in not putting this garment on. They perceived rather quickly that man’s eyes beheld their nakedness, and it was not long before they discarded the garment of His Truth and Righteousness in favor of the fig leaves of religious enterprise. The virgin look-alike garment that religious enterprise encourages its followers to cover up with, but God see’s right through them and He can see, we are trying to cover up something before our peers.
But the Garment of Truth and Righteousness that would reveal how naked we all are for all men to see, would be a garment that He approved of. He decides what will be covered and what will not at the present time. And then He alone has the ability to make the Garment complete when the lid goes down on our little day. Aww yes, it would take faith to believe in That Garment, and fly in the face of religious and political power and authority.
So may I suggest, it is not too late for anyone to discard and shred the fig leaves of religious enterprise, and put once again on the Garment of His Truth and Righteousness; and get back to our true calling in Christ.
And I expect, in very round numbers, that half of the people will not be willing to forsake the garment of religious enterprise. It will be too costly for their flesh. They have not the faith and balls to reveal to their peers, just how ugly they really are under the fig leaves.
It will take a belief in the benefits of shock treatment and acupuncture administered from the Great Physician. It will also invariably mean, opening up privately to the Great Counsellor in His Office.
mark, I usually enjoy your writings, but I will have to confess you lost me on this one. Somewhere between starting out with a true purpose and all those changes of garments I got wandering down and out.
Mark S: excellent! And what a “fig leaf garment” that was! while they at least had the good sense to to know they had sinned – breaking God’s very trust — AND they “hid themselves” and AT LEAST had sense to know they had exposed themselves AND knew they were “naked!” WHAT did God do? Genesis 3:21 – made coats of ‘skins’ and clothed (= Isaiah 61:10 for he HATH clothed me with the “garments of salvation”) them. Hebrws 9:22. without the shedding of ‘blood’ IS NO Remission’! THE # 1 Fact of God’s Truth!
The other IS: the ‘garment of Religious enterprise’! This is NOT for God! This is For Men! To be seen of Men! They do not even know God!; How can they worry what God demands?! Only knowing God’s Word as written, would they know God!.
Hebrews 10:26 is a VERY HARD Truth. — Who hath trodden under foot the Son of God AND counted the “blood of the covenant”……an “unholy thing””””! ((:26 if we “sin” wilfully — there ‘remaineth No More sacrifice for sin!)
And the absolute heart rendering fact IS: Amen had the ‘Truth revealing’ statement: “I got LOST”!
What a chilling revelation! No wonder CSA/SA and the care of victims in their deep NEED is of no concern to the establishment!?
Amen writes, ” I feel I have known some who have kept true to their calling”. A few days ago Amen said, “I have also heard about and known intimately a multitude of friends and workers who have kept true and faithful to their calling”.
If it was some, or a multitude of people Amen knows that have been, “true and faithful to their calling”, that is for him to figure out.
Amen then talks about the, “forgiveness and mercy of Jesus”, which is essential. It is just confusing when he states people are, ” true and faithful “, but yet need ” forgiveness and mercy “.
If someone is a true and faithful human, why do they need forgiveness and mercy? What did they do that would need to be forgiven if they were always true and faithful? Amen is an “elder”. No wonder meetings were so confusing.
@cofused. From the way you write, I doubt if this will help you, but I will try. Before Jesus went to the cross, he said to his disciples
Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
that was Jesus attitude toward them and yet right after Peter denied him 3 times that he even knew him, they had 2 swords he had never asked them to have and said of them he would be numbered among the transgressors. Like all of us they were still a work in progress but by continuing with him and letting him work in their lives they could receive forgiveness. When we say someone has kept true to there calling, it doesn’t mean every step has been correct, but that their overall progress has been taking them closer to Jesus.
@Amen – Actually, Jesus DID tell them to BUY a Sword: Luke 22:36-38
Amen, there is a huge difference in our everyday life’s that we sin and fall short of the glory of God…..and THEN there are ones the commit a crime and /or felony…..kinda a huge difference and it comes to a different set of rules according to THE JUSTICE SYSTEM this type of crime isnt just kinda like okay you stand in the corner and think about what youve done, its a OKAY you do THE BIG TIME…..I know that all sin is sin, however there’s felonies …..these felons are on there own when it comes to forgiveness and repentance thats all up to God…
@Henorrour, you are right, and I have heard some take that verse and say, see Jesus changed how he wanted his apostles to go forth. Now they can take a sword. I get a very different sense of what Jesus was dealing with here. They already had the two swords in spite of him sending them forth in a very different way. They had already transgressed his instructions. It is hardly in what I have learned about what Jesus desires of us to take a sword with us. But if we want to take his words literally, you are right in the verse you quote.
@two cents, I couldn’t agree more.