[Posted August 19, 2023]
Dear Sacramento elders,
Thank you for meeting with us earlier this week and for helping with considerations and decisions. We respect your perspectives and look forward to a better future.
Reporting back to all of you, Ron visited with his meeting and discovered there are grandchildren who sometimes attend, and Gilbert’s presence could possibly cause them to lose that special opportunity, which is unacceptable to all of us. After we considered the attendees in the remaining Sunday meetings, we realized there are no Sunday meetings that could host Gilbert without complications. As a result, we feel it will be most peaceful and appropriate to have a meeting where only volunteers will meet with Gilbert. The Wainwright’s and Keith Smith’s have volunteered for this meeting. In time we can consider similar arrangements for Wednesday and Union meetings. Regarding gospel meetings, we have asked that Gilbert call in.
This has been a new experience, but we do feel the encouragement of our Father’s help as we seek to do what is safe and peaceful. We appreciate your effort and help to work through these processes in a way that promotes peace.
Your brothers in Christ,
Harold, Rob and Richard
WINGS Note: THe previous decision was reported at Concerning Decision Despite Opposition
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A BIG thank you to those who are starting to make a change to OUR fellowship excluding know predators attendance.
With this change I see HOPE again in the way of GOD moving forward.
GS is just one person…..
We’re hearing about families that are choosing to leave “TRUTH ” for the sake of their children and grand children…..this is a HUGE loss, and shame on any one who would hurt or scar any of GOD’S little ones.
Aren’t they the hope of the kingdom?
Our family left along with 4 other families in our area, 21 children in total between us. We still meet together but we separated from the corrupt ministry.
They use your attendance as proof that there is no crisis and everything is fine.
At some point if you stay, you are supporting these predators. We’ve reached that point.
The workers have presented themselves as a gate that you must enter through for salvation, do you think God is pleased with this after what Jesus did for us?
He is the only gate. lets sing it together! He is the only gate God’s own sent One.
🎼 He is the only gate Gods own sent One 😊💞
🙌🏻. The hope of God’s kingdom is being hurt even though some of them are too young to realize! We as their parents have to be the gate keepers! Glad there are ones with courage to stand for the right! That is so hard!
Harold and Rob and Richard are starting to look like the Keystone Cops or maybe even the Three Stooges, instead of spiritual leaders. Surely, they must have known about the kids in the first place.
What is your purpose in posting a constant stream of scornful hyper-critical negative comments? Because all this pugnacious truculent inventive is certainly not helping anything.
Not aware of anything negative or scornful here – just pointing out the facts. Sometimes facts are hard to accept. Do not understand the rest of the big words you used.
All above are only speaking the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. The actions of these three has hurt many hearts.
Was that first decision Spirit-led, or not? God is not the author of confusion.
Paul, God is NOT the author of confusion! Well said. The bumbling three (Harold, Rob and Richard), however, are. “As a result, we feel it will be most peaceful and appropriate to have a meeting where only volunteers will meet with Gilbert… In time we can consider similar arrangements for Wednesday and ….This has been a new experience, but we do feel the encouragement of our Father’s help as we seek to do what is safe and peaceful”. What is the big fuss about Gilbert?! Clean house and tell Gilbert he had his chance and blew it. Care for the victims, not the predator! That’s like feeling bad for the wolf that ate the sheep! All this is SO BACKWARDS!!! The three bumblers conclude, “We respect your perspectives and look forward to a better future”. Caring for wolves, the future looks pretty messy.
You got it! They are WOLVES. A wolf’s purpose is to hunt and destroy. The fence protecting the sheep should keep the wolves out but more lambs will be killed if the ones responsible for their safety keep letting in the wolves!
“Gilbert Smith is a former worker and current elder in California. During his time in the work, Gilbert labored in California, Arizona, Idaho, Alaska, and Chile. KNOWN allegations stem from his time in Alaska AND Chile”. Gilbert has multiple people, from different countries saying Gilbert is a sexual predator! Gilbert did not ” Labor ” anywhere. Gilbert was stalking prey! …But, let’s look out for Gilbert. And, people wonder why there is a big mess with sexual assaults in the organization?
But, don’t worry anybody? Gilbert is meeting with a therapist! He MAY be an Elder once again, AND being okay with kids, too! “Gilbert will be meeting with a professional therapist who is certified to do evaluations of this type and give us (Harold, Rob and Richard) advise about risk, safety and guidelines both regarding his position of trust as an elder, and the safety of Gilbert being in meetings with children”. This should make everyone feel better about Gilbert (the sexual predator), and Harold, Rob and Richard (the three workers in charge that have NO idea what to do). …There was no mention of the victims and how they are dealing with life since encountering Gilbert. Why is that?
Amen
So this Gilbert Guy comes to Canada to see in-laws in Sask , Alberta, BC. I sure Hope he’s Watched. Just a Concerned Grandma.
Thank you Holly, bar the door….make it no entry, he choose his pathway…. he chose his desires…
The old saying “don’t do the crime of you can’t do the time”
And if the victims didn’t or couldn’t press charges it doesn’t mean the abuse didn’t happen!
Was there EVER this much care and special accommodation given for even one of the abused???!! A place where the victim/survivor is believed without question. A place where the wounded would be assured that no abuser or abuser supporter would be in attendance?! Just imagine if this much care and attention had been given to the victims/survivors who were actually deserving of and owed this care.
What parallel universe are these three “workers” of iniquity living in? They are working tirelessly to make a place for sexual abusers of children. Why?! And, why is anyone still giving them authority and place?! Take a stand. (Hint: If you choose to protect the child sexual abusers, you chose wrong.)
DH, I’m with you 100%!!!!
I get they want to save the 1 corrupt coin ( I will not call it the gold as written on the Bible ) or the lost evil sheep…..
But what about the 1000’s of God’s people and children with GOOD morals……
Why not think of them for a change.
All elders wives and women should feel very honored by this decision by our Spirit driven workers. They made sure NO WOMEN were allowed to attend this meeting. Just manly men and the workers with their no callouses and soft hands. Is this secret meeting proof that they aren’t led by God or the Spirit? They should know these pressing answers being that close to God.
They’ve swung and missed on everything. Truly not even close. Fighting so hard to keep perps in the mix? Let’s stop treating the workers like they’re in charge. They love that feeling. Bunch of dorks playing house. Can we fold this game up yet? Let’s make sure to put the rules back in the box because I never want to see them again. Don’t forget to collect free parking before you pack it up! Workers are always the banker!
I’m wondering if Perhaps Linda Wainwright (Worker) made this Second meeting Possible So that Her Uncle Gilbert would get his Meeting Back. That’s how these snakes/rats work. So Ego driven , manipulative, anti- Christ , Arrogant ect…..
Just when I think these people could not possibly be any more incompetent and tone deaf, they come up with a sham secretive meeting, and a sham ‘vote’ to accommodate a sexual assaulter, potentially bringing him back into contact with other victims of CSA/SA.
Oops, that didn’t work. The solution is to have special meetings comprised of volunteers who are accepting of predators in their meetings? What about accommodating victims? Can this get any more bizarre?
Saturday Night Live (on NBC TV) does excellent parodies of real people and real current events. But these guys don’t need NBC, they parody themselves! You really could not make this stuff up!
I hope the less informed realize the outcry it took to get this pitiful concession from RN, RDH and HH. It’s not even close to enough. They swallowed a camel, but strained at a gnat. They were told in no uncertain terms what they needed to actually do. This didn’t happen out of the goodness of their hearts. It happened because people are insisting ministry does what’s right to keep predators out of meetings, and they still can’t find it in their hearts to do that 5 months into this crisis. This is open rebellion like has never been seen for good reason.
The fish rots from the head down.
This is good news, people standing up for what is right, not allowing being bullied any longer!
Thanks for sharing “a professing father”.
To each of you: This makes our skin crawl! We see sheep in a pen or on pasture; with a couple of donkeys. All are grazing contently. This is natural nature. You add a sly, sleek fox, or coyote, or “WOLF” in sheep’s clothing; THAT Donkey looks stupid and flea bitten BUT he packs a wallop. Webster Dictionary explains to strike hard, a thrashing; a tremendous blow. We have found DEAD-Rotting predators. That is natural nature. When do you realize NONE of this is natural nature. This is not of God, the Father; nor of God, the Son; nor of God the Spirit. This is not even following any of God’s Word. Educate yourself: for your own self-defense. Or is it too hard to actually read God’s Word as written!!?? It seems our only natural nature defense is too be like the Donkey and know what our God and Saviour really says. This is what will really pack a “wallop”!
To Brian Marx: We support your Journey. Do NOT give-up. The Journey is hard as you shake off all the indoctrination. When the reality of the “apostles’ Doctrine” of Acts 2:42-:46 hit us with a ‘gut punch’; we realized we have been Bambboozled! We are wrong! That Donkey kicked us hard. We are grateful.
God is faithful to guide your learning. Read God’s Word as it is written and God will open your heart to understanding as God did for Lydia: Acts 16:12 – :15. This IS more than a warm, soft, cuddly account of a woman coming to God. THIS IS a very important record of God by the very “Spirit of Christ”(1 Peter 1:11) giving direction and information to us.
Acts 16:14 What did God do for Lydia who was worshipping God?, God opened her Heart; THAT she attended unto the things “which were spoken “”of Paul””.
That is a Great Big “clue”! Look at the trouble God did to get Saul, (who God change name to Paul) Acts 9:1-:20. and Paul’s own account of God’s work in him::: is recorded in Acts 21:40 thru Acts 22:21 Read that :21 again.
Now read what God, The Risen Son revealed to Paul from his Father’s Throne in Heaven. Ephesians 1;1 – :9 STOP IF YOU CAN. But read what God revealed to Paul in Ephesians 3:1-9; then 2:4 thru :16 A New Man??? YES, there is more
Roman 3:21-:27. 2 Peter 3:15 – :16 as Peter guides those confused Jews to the wisdom God gave to Paul: Yes Peter points to Paul.
Brian Marx, we pray for your group AND your precious ‘little ones’ as you hold them close. We pray for you each as you come together to know and want to understand God’s plan and purpose, now, for his own.
The elders who voted for or against including a pedophile at the secret elders meeting have been counted.
Yes “Men”: Don S., Joe S, Shann G., Ron W. Don S.
Yes, but will have to ask my meeting: Daryl G., Britton A.
NO!!: Jack P., Robert P., John M., Butch C.
Thank you to those elders voting No, who understand the difference between right and wrong as well as their bibles. For those voting yes to having an alleged pedophile in meetings, we’ll pray that you be converted.