Companion’s report concerning Jim Chafee

39 thoughts on “Companion’s report concerning Jim Chafee”

1. Wasn’t Carl Nelson doing the very same thing in Mexico? Were there any reports to the overseers about him being engages in sexual acts with women, not among the friends, but other women he somehow met? Were there also reports about him going over to the friends homes, while they were out of town, and getting drunk? To be clear, Jesus himself provided wine for a wedding, but if those issues were reported and no action taken, this is evidence of a lack of oversight and a worker who needs mental health support.

   1. I have a funny feeling this behaviour was happening in Africa from an English worker… he has lots of unknown girlies (not of the friends) young and pretty on his facebook (and he hides who his friends are).

      Sure maybe it is innocent – but the more I think the more I realise it probably isn’t. He was demoted and sent home quietly a number of years ago… wonder will anything come of it.

      1. I know exactly who you are talking about, and your feeling is verifiable.

      2. Verifiable as in an incident occurred? I am slightly concerned because I know some close friends who have been in close proximity… I was always a bit weary or at least open eyes.

      3. Hmm, I know an English worker who was in Africa. A few years ago on his FB page almost hidden was review from a bordello. It didn’t look like happenstance.

   2. Do you have proof of any of this? Didn’t think you did. False accusations are not wanted or needed. If you do not have proof, keep it to yourself. We have to many real things to deal with, without a troll trying to stir the pot.

      1. BE HOLDER; So sorry for your innocence. This is wretched and real. When God’s word is adulterated for any purpose, even for religion, contribute it to 2 Corinthians 11:13-14. This will help you to understand why Acts 2:42-46 is ignored.

      2. BE Holder…the pot is not being stirred enough. That’s the problem! Change should have been put in motion years and even decades ago. Do you remember Ruben Mata?
         And for someone to hide behind an anonymous name like yourself while calling Gary a troll.. that’s umm, yeah pretty cowardly. So again I’ll ask you. Who are you more afraid of? God or the workers?

      3. I have proof of a lot. Ruben Mata was in my home after he committed the atrocities and Dick Middleton, Eldon Tenniswood and Dale Schultz all know what he did to little boys! And they lied to my husband and me! Please educate yourself.

      4. Skip.
         I’m not calling Gary out. I respect Gary. Im calling the Watson fellow out. Yes I remain anonymous. I was a victim. Mata was bad but we had another in the field that was worse. He is dead and has been for a few years. This site is for CSA not for all those with an axe to grind by just throwing out names and accusations that are not related to CSA. It does the victims no good.

      5. Thank you, that is what needs to be said : Jim’s companion should be ashamed of himself doing this to some one, and does not have proof, and if something that was just a friendship as far as you know. Just because you have a feeling. Stop ruining peoples lives

      6. Joyce, the author has signed his name and has said there was a photo of a woman, on Jim’s computer, sitting on Jim’s BED! Do you not feel that was completely inappropriate for someone in his position? Because I certainly do. Why did Jim even need to take the photo? Why was she on his bed if there was a lounge area? According to this denHerder chap, the other girl was considering having sex with Jim. You think that was an innocent relationship?? What on earth would have given her that idea if Jim didn’t encourage it?

         Perhaps take off the rose coloured glasses and if nothing else, remain neutral. I have no idea whether you are a Royal Saint/Superior Saint/Elite (I’ve learned we call them different names in the different countries), but your indignant dismissal of this report is interesting to say the least. I guess time will reveal all.

         Oh, and do you have any proof that it is untrue? Were you there?

   3. Carl needs to pack his bags and step on down the road. I heard about him over 10 years ago and have tried to avoid him since then and avoided having him around my family. I wouldn’t leave him alone with my dog, much less any family member. He absolutely should not be given access to money, the homes of the friends, or any vehicles of the friends. I don’t want my car impounded because he was using it to solicit sex workers.

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3. Why would this girl tell Richard Denherder the truth about whether or not she had sex with him? Of course someone is going to say “no” when asked that, especially a stranger like Richard. She doesn’t have to tell him the truth. Who does Richard think he is?

   Also, why is sex the barrier? Why is that the straw that would break the camels back? Sex isn’t what makes this inappropriate. It’s the having women over, period. If she did tell Richard she did have sex with him, then he’d tell us, “well it was only once”.

   1. I have observed a strong trend where overseers put a lot of weight into what workers say in their defense, and little to none analysis of the victim’s perspective.

      It is all intellectually weak stuff. More likely just putting the image of the church above everything else.

      1. Who is the victim in this case? Please don’t say Gary…

   2. They would do any cover-ups as what so-called LOVE covers any sins, but then having sex is the boader, in my understanding. And many take advantage of it.

4. Is Carl saying it happened enough, or are you asking for video evidence? Your response exemplifies the problem: a mindset that absent a confession, nothing should be done. Our friends are not going to shut up and sit back down as they were required to do in the past. I hope that Kelvin Naef will look into these issues and talk to Carl – hopefully his conscience will guide him to do the right thing.

   1. Carl is on a visiting conventions round out west. This week at Dagmar, MT. Wonder how they will feel after they find out what he is being accused of.

      1. Probably not as bad as the women he sexually harassed despite being in the work. It’s surprising that Kelvin hasn’t taken action on this, but he seems to have a long history of making it easy for abusers.

   2. Is there any further information or details you can share. Carl is in our field and we would Iike to ask him and Kelvin about this

      1. Devon, please ask about Kelvin about Carl’s past before entering the work and his immoral behavior after he entered.

5. Thank you so very much in sharing yet another illustration of the hypocrisy and satan filled actions of way too many workers-head workers-staff and friends. Massive doses of transparency to friends and anyone interested is so helpful to ending the lie and cash cow

6. For years I’ve listened to workers talk about how careful they had to be in China and all the precautions they had to take. If that’s true, than Jim’s behavior and Richard’s covering up put Gary Myers and everyone else involved at risk of being arrested or detained. Jim and Richard should have to answer for that.

   1. Is it precautions or DECEPTION? If, purportedly it is “God’s” will, then why are precautions and deceptions necessary? Great fit for Richard D, he has mastered precaution and deception. Just listen to the words he spews forth.

   2. Regarding cover-up and overlooking poor behavior, google vandenberg and worker. Interesting site describing his actions and overlooking the grooming nature of this guy.

7. A message for Leroy S, former overseer of North Dakota:

   Please write an apology to Gary Myer and all the friends that were subject to hearing Jim Chafee speak last year at Hunter convention. You knew the truth on Jim, in weakness you deferred to Ray Hoffman and Barry Barkley who cowardly refused to address the problem, and then you took that as your permission to have him be a special guest at convention. Shame on you. If not for your departure, many of us friends would be asking for your resignation now. So while you are at Dagmar MT convention this week, do the right thing and apologize.

8. Seconding this. Leroy if you have a redeeming quality now would be the time to show it. Do the right thing. Admit you were wrong and apologize to Gary Myers. It would be a good first step toward helping everyone regain any measure of respect or toleration for you. You can do it.

9. I disagree with “Time to be accountable” and “Do the Right Thing Leroy” that this is Leroy’s error. I commend Leroy for not making a decision of his own accord. He didn’t act alone. I think you need to step up a rung or two and ask why Ray and Barry responded as they did.
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   I’m not actually convince that either of these three did it with a wrong motive.
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   I’m really relieve to get this letter from you, Gary, and I think that it has been a long time in coming; I hope we see some real consequences as a result.
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   The problem here, as I see it, is the communication between older and younger workers. (This is above and beyond the event detailed above which are clearly problems!) I can see that nobody validated what Gary had to say. But I can also see based on the things that Gary wrote, that the way he approached the older workers just made them angry and inflamed them. You can’t approach someone older/more authority like that in ANY system ANYWHERE in the world and think that it’s going to get heard. At the end of his life, Jesus DID start speaking quite bluntly to the religious leaders of the day and he would have still been considered too young to do so. But at that point he wasn’t trying to change them or get them to “hear” him – he was simply stating what they did as clearly wrong so that they could be cognizant of the error of their ways. But he had already established himself as a leader under the authority of God himself (as manifested through the power of healing) for 3 years before he did that. I don’t personally know Gary at all and so I am only going on what I read in his letter.
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   The spirit of mourning is the desired spirit. It has the powerful effect of marking things wrong in a way that can be heard.
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   This is what Paul instructed them in I Cor 5. And it was super effective. So much that the man was swallowed up in his own sorrow and Paul had to instruct them to lay off a bit in II Cor 2.
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   There are other effective ways. The spirit of respecting positions and places is also the spirt that helps us to get heard. Even Paul felt smitten by saying what he did regarding the high priest once he found out the man was the high priest. Even if the people who are in that position are abusing their position, they are there because others put them there.
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   I think of what Esther was commissioned to do by her uncle. Something that she could have easily died for doing. But she did it in a way that softened the spirits of others – she first made herself credible in the eyes of her husband who was also her emperor. Then when she leveled the complaint against Haman, there was no disbelief.
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   A lack of our own credibility means nobody can hear us. It doesn’t mean that we are wrong – sometimes we lack credibility because of our age and/or lack of experience or lack of good oratory skills, etc.,etc. Paul told Timothy, “Let no man despise your youth”. He needed to build and keep his own credibility before he could be heard. Timothy had initial credibility because he was backed by the authority of Paul. Paul, however, had NO-ONE to back him (other than Barnabas at the start) and so he had no credibility. He just had to keep right and keep committed to what was right until those that were clearly in positions of power understood that he was … right! At that time he gained immense credibility, and I think he could rightfully instruct Timothy in how to gain and maintain credibility. Part of that was how he dealt with those who were older than himself – and – those that were younger. Rebuke not an elder but intreat him as a father, the younger men as brothers, the older women as mothers, the younger women as sisters.
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   Referring to what I stated about regarding Leroy talking to Ray and Barry – anybody who thinks overseers act alone and put themselves in their own places obviously doesn’t understand the way things work. I know, I know, then it makes the whole system look bad rather than one person. I’m not saying that’s not true.

   1. 2e, in this crisis, there are 400+ mix of convicted and alleged perpetrators, and many more cover-up people. That number continues to rise daily. Until the 400+ are known etc, we won’t know exactly who, or how many are in the very highest positions. That number appears to be more than a dozen so far who are holding, or have held, the very highest positions. The estimate of only “3” mentioned earlier is 10-week-old information. Having “The spirit of respecting positions and places” has died along with my trust that the right things will be done without some time and a ruckus to make it so. “The spirit of respecting positions and places” is most certainly not a healthy goal if we want meaningful change. Furthermore, because trust has died with this crisis, it is many with authority currently that lack “credibility” until we see meaningful change and appropriate, repeated, timely, self-initiated action. Respect and trust will need to be rebuilt, and that can only be accomplished through action and significant change after all the offenders have been removed. Given that approximately 95%+ of allegations of this type are thought to be “credible” by professionals, I’m giving a lot of “credibility” to the yet unknown number of victim survivors. It is the survivors that have the “credibility” backed by professionals regardless of age, experience, position, etc.

   2. To quote your reply- “anybody who thinks overseers act alone and put themselves in their own places obviously doesn’t understand the way things work.”
      You must be in the know so please explain the way things work. Help us understand please. Maybe it will explain why Jim was (and maybe still is) in the work in Colorado. Do we need to wash the overseers feet before we bring our concerns of CSA to them so that they will know we are sincere? Your lengthy attempt at scraping scripture to justify a respect for authority is another slap in the face of us victims who have been dismissed for decades.
      The fact remains: a guy who for years was known to have “a problem” was allowed to travel to Hunter convention and be treated like a king when he should have been rejected. That’s shameful and deserves an apology.

   3. Thank you, “a professing father” and “time to be accountable” for your responses. I’ve had to work so this response isn’t too timely.
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      I understand where you’re coming from but I will not do the same. I also don’t discount the rampant issues – I’m here because of my own issues. But I do believe that some acted in all sincerity even if it was wrong. That doesn’t mean they don’t have to pay the consequences.
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      But there are things that that can seem deceptively clear. You have a man of authority who has an air of authority and commands respect with his behavior. Everyone finds real help for their soul in the things he shares in the meetings, and his spirit in the homes is so comforting. And then, you have a woman who dresses in a way that seems to say that she is willing and in fact actively looking to cross inappropriate boundaries. And then this woman accuses this man of CSA. Who will believe her? Nobody. Likely she tried to get him and he ignored her and so now she’s trying to smear him. Everyone knows a woman is catty like that. She’s the problem and everyone knows it.
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      Now you fast forward to today. We learn that groomers can behave like the best of the best and often do so to gain trust and access. We learn that those that have suffered CSA, whose boundaries have been violated, often struggle with promiscuity and other such issues as a result of trauma.
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      Even when someone explains what is known about groomers and CSA trauma, it’s still hard to accept it, because – because he’s so Godly and she’s so not Godly. It just goes against everything we believe to be right.
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      To me, I know that it’s black and white on a certain level, but not on every level. It’s black and white that the woman needs some credibility and the man needs to pay the consequences (I am speaking of my hypothetical story – I understand that roles can be all across the board in real life). One is – the victims are now learning – go directly to the police – the workers are not policemen. In fact the workers have learned to go directly to the police too. And we are learning the signs of grooming behaviors and the lasting effects of trauma.
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      If the workers acted in all sincerity before God even if they did the wrong thing, God knows. They will still have to pay the consequences of their actions. But I just simply do not believe that there was a general bad motive amongst the oversight. Admittedly it seems clear that there was a general lack of wisdom and a general lack of feeling their need to hear others asking them to learn the right way of dealing with these things.
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      A meek and quiet spirit will always be the right way to deal with wrong things. Of course we don’t need to wash the overseers’ feet when they come – in fact we should be washing everyone’s feet! I truly believe that a meek and a quiet spirit is strong enough to overcome all of these things. A spirit of meekness is a strong spirit that is settled in what is right and the authority backing them (God), and does not need to fight or justify themselves.Things that should be taken care of can be taken care of without sacrificing our own soul in the way we take care of them. Even if the other has ruined the ability for us to respect them, we can still address the situation and treat them in the way that God expects of us.
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      I’m sorry we needed the utter shock of Dean Bruer to bring about change, but I’m glad that God finally responded to the cry of those who have suffered all of these years. I believe that He will give us a better fellowship as a result and it will be centered around the things that are highly valued in heaven – love, joy, peace, longsuffering, goodness, gentleness, meekness, faith, temperance, etc.

10. I lived in China during this period of time and I listened to conversations about Jim Chafee that all the workers were having about moving him out of China because of “his problem” that was the word used for a sexual abuser! They are all accountable for every victim.
    K Newman

    1. I feel that a man having relationships is completely immoral when he’s in the work.

       Calling it abuse is pushing the boundaries completely and moving towards very left wing ground where if two people work together and have a relationship it’s criminal.

       This is a huge distraction from the purpose of this page which is child abuse.

       Now it’s about everything that an individual worker does which is wrong.

       1. It is abuse with similar characteristics to child sexual abuse. WINGS hopes to publish an article on it soon, explaining exactly why it is abuse.

       2. l would say its a huge warning…not distraction…when you know a worker is sexually active…wouldnt you be hesitant as a young girl and be a lot more cautious and carefull to not be in any situation where this dude might make use of an oppurtunity..?

11. We had Jim over while he was in SA, he was wired I mean for workers.
    Misbehaved workers being moved all around. Now back in the states.
    Who would know that he became clean-cut man after all…….

    1. Robyn, I don’t understand what you are saying. “ wired for workers “?

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