Dear friends,
I am very sorry to have to write to you today about our brother Albert Clark. We have recently received knowledge of allegations against him of CSA that date to over 40 years ago. In light of this evidence, we have reported what we know to the authorities in the region where it occurred, and we feel it is best for Albert to stop being active in the ministry. Albert is in agreement with this decision.
Albert has expressed that he is sorry for any harm it has caused, directly and indirectly. I appreciate his humility and his acceptance, and we recognize that it is possible that he has never done anything of this nature since that time. At the same time, we have decided that because he has been engaged in that kind of activity, it is better for him not to be in the work now.
Any kind of sexual activity with a child is wrong, according to the law in our country and more importantly, according to God. There are no exceptions to this, and an adult is always responsible for their conduct toward a child. These kind of actions can’t be undone and they often leave psychological scars that last a lifetime. It’s not that it can’t be forgiven, but it seems that it is much better to address it and deal with it no matter how hard it is. We certainly feel for the victims, and want to be a support in the right way.
Especially if one of our workers has done something of this nature, we hope that everyone would feel free to tell us, and feel free report it to the local authorities. It is important for us to know because the workers are circulating in your homes regularly, and we want to do our part to ensure everyone’s safety. We want to remind you also that if you know about someone who is currently a minor and has been or is being abused, you are legally responsible to report it to law enforcement.
I don’t feel qualified to speak a lot about this subject of CSA, but we have learned through studying about it, and through talking with survivors and experienced professionals about it. We know that this is something that usually happens in secret, and it is very difficult to be open about it; for both the victim and the perpetrator. There is often a lot of shame and hurt associated with it. It often doesn’t come to light until many years afterwards. We try to be understanding and empathetic, but really we know that we won’t be able to truly enter into another person’s difficult and traumatic experience. We’re thankful that God understands and He wants to help us to find healing and comfort. We want to help too, and we are praying to know how to be an encouragement and help to those who are burdened by these heavy trials of life.
We believe and know that there is a path forward for every human being, that leads to life with God. No matter what we have done and no matter what has happened to us. That is the simple truth that we are devoting our life to share. We need help from Him to see that path; and we need humility, courage and self-denial to walk in it. We greatly appreciate those who help us to see the path forward, most of all Jesus who is the perfect example. There is no amount of confusion or deception that can hinder us from going forward in this way, as long as we stay close to him, and keep our eyes on him.
Your brother, Jonathan.
WINGS Note: This is from Johnathon Freeburn in New Brunswick, Atlantic Canada.
Albert Clark has been a worker in Halifax-Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada
WINGS for Truth 
It may be time for the cult to stop the practice of having workers “circulating in your homes regularly”. Way to many peds and perps in their ranks to continue this practice.
Jonathan: It is toooo late to try to convince your trusting and faithful followers THAT “NO amount of ‘confusion or deception’ can hinder us from going forth in “”this Way”” “. You can go forth, and you can deceive BUT you are NOT following the “Jesus, the perfect example”!
You do not!, nor can you stay close to Jesus. Jesus said himself that “HE” was only sent to the ‘lost sheep of the House of Israel’. That never changed!
2 Corinthians 5:16 states very plainly we NOW do not — “ yet NOW ‘henceforth’ Know we Christ “”in the flesh”” NO MORE!
Verse :14 – :15 but unto HIM who DIED for them and “”ROSE again””.
2 Corinthians 5:18 – :21 is the NOW result.
You are a deceiver from the VERY BEGINNING and you cannot NOW claim to be ‘following the perfect example’! You do NOT even know to whom Jesus in His Flesh was an example.
You cannot stay close to Him nor keep your eyes on HIM:, when Jesus’ ministry and the ministry of the 12; was put on hold when that very Nation of Israel with their very own Hands “STONED Stephen” and committed what Jesus warned the very Government of Israel about: Matthew 12:31 – 32. Acts 6:15 – 7:55 – :60.
Romans 11:7 – :10 explains the condition of the Jews.
Romans 11:10 – :15 explains the result
Romans 11:25 – 27 explains that some time after the “catching-up” of the Body of Christ in 1 Thessalonians 4:14 -17: THAT THAT Israel’s blindness shall be changed because :26 there shall come out of Sion the deliverer, and shall TURN “UNGODLINESS” from Jacob.
AND you read verse :27, then you understand verse :27. God has turned from Israel with their GOOD-NEWS of their promised , perfect covenant of their Kingdom of Heaven on a perfect Earth!
SATAN has booneswaggled you all who are unable to put on the Helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, “which is the WORD of God”: that ye might be able to STAND “against the wiles of the “devil”.
Jonathan, it might be wise to actually read God’s WORD as written!
Our inability to understand HOW ANYONE even in their very humanity IS NOT ABLE to be physically ill when confronted WITH vile, criminal, twisted behavior which destroy our very children. AND you state YOU have to study about it and learn from professionals:: You do not know God – or Jesus, God the Son, nor do you have the Holy Spirit. Let alone even know or put on — God’s very Armour; the Word of God.
@Bucky – you are right! No one should allow these strangers into their homes, unless they KNOW them and there’s a HUSBAND present at ALL times!
“We have recently received knowledge of allegations against (worker Albert Clark, aka worker Albert) of CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE that date to over 40 years ago…we feel it is best for Albert to stop being active in the ministry. Albert is in agreement with this decision.
Albert has expressed that he is sorry for any harm it (IT?) has caused, directly and indirectly. I appreciate his humility and his acceptance… we have decided that because he has been engaged in that kind of activity, it is better for him not to be in the work now”.
Brother Jonathon writes this letter as if everyone should have sympathy for acknowledged child sex molester, worker Albert Clark, who has flown under the radar from decades. Worker Albert did apologize for “sexual activity with a child” and for that apology, worker Albert shows “humility and his acceptance” with the situation, and that is really, really appreciated by brother Jonathon.
…Brother Jonathon simply does not have empathy or any compassion for the survivors of worker Albert’s sexual assaults, “because he engaged in that activity” — and everyone knows that there was more than one child that worker Albert had sexual activity with.
“….it is better for (worker Albert) not to be in the work now”. It is better?! Shouldn’t it be, said, “ANYONE that sexually assaulted a child will NOT be in the work, or have any part in our fellowship. You will not see worker Albert again”.
But, you can bet that worker Albert will be in Sunday meetings, Wednesday night meetings, union Sunday meetings, gospel meetings, special meetings, convention meetings, and all fellowship activities.
Brother Jonathon wraps up his sorry story about worker Albert saying, “There is no amount of confusion or deception that can hinder us from going forward in this way, as long as we stay close to him, and keep our eyes on him”. Confusion? It appears there is plenty of that with the weak stance that was taken with worker Albert.
“It is better for him not to be in the work right now “. It’s better for worker Albert? It’s very confusing why it’s all about worker Albert! Wouldn’t it also be better for the VICTIMS if worker Albert wasn’t in the work right now?
“Deception that can hinder us from going forward in this way”. Deception is encouraging someone to believe in something that is not true. Why does confusion and deception even need to be mentioned here, unless that is what you’re trying to accomplish! This entire letter is deception. Accept worker Albert, and forget about the victim — worker Albert is the important one here.
“Going forward in this way”. What does that mean? Going forward, accept the child sexual molester? Forget what the sexual predator did in the past, and let us move past ” that ” and just forget? ” Then, “…in this way”. What ” way”? The way of the child sexual molester, or this way of the sexual predator enabler?
“This way”. What is this way? All this is very confusing and extremely deceptive. Brother Jonathon must be proud. Brother Jonathon achieved what he set out for; confusion and deception. Worker Albert came off as the real victim here.
Then the letter finishes with, …”as long as we stay close to him, and keep our eyes on him “. Who is ” him”? The sexual predator? If brother Jonathon was talking about Jesus, that is Him, with a capital “H” because He, Jesus, deserves recognition, and He is not flawed like the rest of humanity.
I don’t think the post mentions the victim. Most of the CSA victims don’t want the notoriety, understandably. We should respect their privacy and be thankful we know who the perpetrator was.
@Junior Jones – you are correct, the victims have been abused and crucified enough, after finding the strength to come forward. They have been told to “shut up”, to “let it go”, to “not tell anyone” to “just go work it out within your family”, to “suck it up” and even worse things that we can’t print here – yes, by “men of god” or so they claim. Anyone with half a brain knows these are NOT “men of God”. Real men of God would have immediately loaded everyone into a car and driven WITH them to the Hospital, and after they were safely being cared for, the “man of god” would have gone to the police station and turned the dip sticker in!!
You dream in fantasy, and I’m sure there are many people who would immediately do the “right” thing, as you describe it. Your “blanket blaming” of any and all and everyTHING is getting very wearisome to me. If I could block you without blocking the whole site, I would because I find NOTHING you post to be helpful to anyone. Like a noisy incessant cheerleader rooting for the underdog. It might give a couple on the losing team a bit of encouragement, but really don’t help the overall effort. The rest, it enhances their discouragement.
Why not pick a few victims and focus your help on THEM? Would likely be much more beneficial than turn this whole site into a spectator sport with a whole lotta couch quarterbacks?
@Who is the victim here? – This letter Jonathan wrote is disgusting and nauseating. I’m guessing he’s got victims too, if he can write like “it’s not big deal” and “he’s sorry”- IF That were TRUE, Albert would be spilling his guts to the RCMP! Do these people think we are really this stupid? This is exactly why the CONGREGATION should be making ALL the rules and guidelines and demanding that EVERY overseer, and the overseers overseers all RESIGN. We do NOT need or want this type of ignorance that’s being shown to have any authority. These men clearly do not care what the Bible says – which I don’t think any of them read anyways.
This worker, Albert Clark, targeted children. SEXUAL ABUSE OF A CHILD! Do people think about that. This was a child, an innocent child that was sexually abused. The child was unaware of the danger and the resulting damage. Albert Clark knew exactly what he was doing.
Albert Clark was hiding in “the work”. Everyone would have trusted this man, made special dinners for him when he visited, cleaned their house for him and prepared a place, the best they could, for him to stay. Because the people thought he was a man of God. How fooled they were.
“…he has been engaged in that kind of activity, it is better for him not to be in the work now…
Any kind of sexual activity with a child is wrong”. That statement is so lacking and so meaningless. Any kind of sexual activity with a child is the most hideous activity any human could engage in. Then to say, “it is better for him not to be in the work now”.
That is simply an insane statement to even consider that excuse for a man, let alone a man of God, would ever be considered for the work again. Unbelievable. But it has to be believed because it does happen. Why, some people might ask, and should ask. Because as the author of the letter said, confusion and deception.
It was noted by Wings, “Albert Clark has been a worker in Halifax-Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, Canada”. They got it right again. Albert Clark is a has been, and most likely always will be.
@a real has been. You wrote,Any kind of sexual activity with a child is wrong”. That statement is so lacking and so meaningless. Any kind of sexual activity with a child is the most hideous activity any human could engage in.
I know nothing about Albert Clark except what I’ve read here, and I don’t dispute that what he did 40 years ago is a terrible crime against am innocent child. I do question your characterization of it being the most heinous activity any human could engage in. I believe King David tops that by a large margin. We all know the details so I won’t repeat them here. So where is King David 40 years later? Did God stop working? Did the lineage of Jesus come through that heinous crime. Jesus said if you had known what this meant I will have mercy–you wouldn’t condemn the guiltless. I believe David was guiltless in the eyes of God, 40 years later. I have no idea where Albert stands 40 years later. Do you?
Amen, I am almost positive the victims that were sexually abused by worker Albert Clark, while they were still children, carry none of the sexual assault baggage with them anymore. None. It’s all good now.
Those children that were completely taken advantage of by a grown man, and a worker, (who obviously only recently came clean with the dirty deeds he did) they have absolutely no memory of those events.
That happened such a long time ago, let’s just forget about it and show this pervert some mercy. Amen, you can let your grandkids play in an isolated room with Albert Clark all day long, but I sure as he** won’t.
….My 93 year old mother in law still deals with the scars of her sexual abuse she endured in the cult when she was young, as does my wife. It appears they haven’t had enough time to forget yet. Yes, we can forgive someone, for our own healing. It’s up to God to show mercy.
Amen, you have the same attitude towards sexual predators as the overseers. It’s no wonder you’re an elder. They got a good man to do their works for them.
Amen, 40 years later David had lost multiple sons and his concubines violated by his own son, for what he had done. God punished him and his family for the rest of his life. This part of the story is always ignored.
@Amen – are you serious? You are comparing King David to someone committing sexual abuse on CHILDREN? Yes, David did some terrible things, and he lost his son for it, but anyone who sexually abuses a child, is the lowest scum on the planet! Within the law enforcement community, it is consider the most heinous crime. Because you are not only terrorizing them with a body appendage, smelly breath and body odor, you are terrorizing them because they realize they are powerless to stop you…and you think it’s funny or are getting a real adrenaline rush from having power over another human – some of the sickest of sick mentally. That someone would get off with thinking they have power, when attacking someone younger or not of the same sex as themselves – someone who’s not even a “match of strength”. These predators are weak minded, and not doing this because they want sex…it’s all mind games.
Your comments are VERY concerning. You seem to be seeking mercy…well, it’s not mercy if TRUTH isn’t a part of the equation. People who harm children are going to Hell, if they don’t seek help and, and that starts with turning themselves into law-enforcement. If they won’t do that, they are not interested in making things right with God.
@A real “has been” – Albert Clark needs to turn himself into law enforcement, or that proves he is NOT interested in making anything right with God.
King David and his family suffered for the rest of his life for what he did. God said that for punishment the sword would not leave his house, and his friend would rape his wives. Both happened: multiple sons killed and his own son Absalom raped his concubines in public. Forgiveness saved him only from immediate death, not consequences.
BloppityBlop, thank you for your contribution: “Amen, 40 years later David had lost multiple sons and his concubines violated by his own son, for what he had done. God punished him and his family for the rest of his life. This part of the story is always ignored”. This is true. Look it up. God can and does give blessings, and God can and does give punishment.
The ongoing sexual molestation of children, sexual abuse and spiritual abuses is not only overlooked by the overseers, it’s been overlooked by many of the church members. People have seen and/ or heard first hand of these abuses, and have done absolutely nothing. Th
They did nothing because they covered up for the image of the church to not be tarnished. The worst of vile human behavior was covered up for the “good of the church”. How does that make sense? It makes sense to a lot of people that are actually intelligent, but extremely deceived.
Look at the posts from Amen, who defense of the church at every turn is unbridled. No matter if it’s a child sexual molester, it doesn’t matter. The church has to be defended. The church is right, the leadership is sent from God, directly in line with the apostles. With that delusional thinking, when there’s black and white evidence the whole system was started decades and not centuries ago, these people are not going to be helped.
Their eyes are blinded by scales and those scales will not let their eyes see, or their God given brains think. They are no better off than mental patients in an asylum walking in circles all day, going to meeting after meeting after meeting and hearing over and over again about the sower and the seed and repeating this process, walking in circles, hearing about the sower and the seed…
Walking in circles repeating, “clothes, works, hair up, meetings matter more than child sexual abuse, sexual abuse, or spiritual abuses, clothes, works, hair up, meetings matter more than child sexual abuse, sex abuse, or spiritual abuses, clothes, works…” People who are intelligent. That have brains. But have scales on their eyes. ….Next meeting is at 2:30. Amen nods his head up and down.
“Amen, 40 years later David had lost multiple sons and his concubines violated by his own son, for what he had done. God punished him and his family for the rest of his life. This part of the story is always ignored”. A lot of the Bible is ignored. It doesn’t fit with the agenda of sexual abuses of children, sexual abuses or spiritual abuses. Just walk in circles. There’s a meeting to get to!
Bloppity Blop: Thank You: Isn’t our God an amazing God. Not Amen’s God: but the true God of all creation. We are grateful for our promise of being in the “heavenlies” for ALL eternity: – Ephesians 1:3 – :9; 3:19 – :21 and to know the LOVE of Christ!! – :20 -:21 Now unto HIM who is able…. be glory in the ‘church’ by Jesus Christ throughout all ages, world with out end.!!! :17 That Christ may dwell in your “HEART by faith(without works) ===:18 may be able to comprehend —-! the Gospel of the Grace of God given to Paul whom God raised-up.
Those of the Old Testament and Jesus ministry with his 12 apostles were and are written for our learning: BUT we are to follow Paul as Paul “also I am of Christ”. Paul does not follow the earthly ministry of Jesus in the flesh and neither should we: 2 Corinthians 5:16 (we only know Christ “risen”!) -:14 – :15.
Romans 11: explains the Chosen Nation of Israel HAS BEEN BLINDED :7 – :11, and it will only be after :25 God takes away their “blindness” and God will :26 turn away “ungodliness” from Jacob = Israel” :27 ….. when I shall take away their sins — then and only then.
Oh, what a JOY it is to have that ‘burden of the 2×2 ministry REMOVED”!
Amen, who is shown to be wrong in many of his posts, shows he doesn’t agree with even the lauded New Zealand worker Graham Thompson. Graham stated on June 4th, 2012 a very similar sentiment to the post titled, “a real has been”, that Amen contradicts and defended child sexual molester Albert Clark.
Graham Thompson said, “One thing that needs to be remembered very clearly in this matter of treatment of children is that we are talking about crime, and more than that we are talking about the most heinous kind of crime of all. The various crimes that are committed, some are against property, some against the interests of society or the state, and there are some against the person. Of all crimes, the crime of one person against another person is the worst. The crime of a man against the person of another man is bad. The crime of a man against the person of a woman is worse. The crime of a man against the person of a child is the worst of all. It has the worst disastrously damaging effect and leads to a legacy of challenge that is mostly carried the life-long through”.
The post of “a real has been” stated, “Any kind of sexual activity with a child is wrong”. That statement is so lacking and so meaningless. Any kind of sexual activity with a child is the most hideous activity any human could engage in”.
Maybe Amen, just an elder, could get together with worker Graham Thompson and work out what the organizations position is on child sexual abuse, the actual act of sex with a child. Amen doesn’t seem to think that it is that big of deal, implying we should consider child sexual molester, worker Albert Clark, “guiltless”. Or, having no guilt; innocent. And that is after the actual sex act with a child. Amen said, “Jesus said if you had known what this meant I will have mercy–you wouldn’t condemn the guiltless. I believe David was guiltless in the eyes of God, 40 years later. I have no idea where Albert stands 40 years later. Do you?” No doubt, the children that had to endure Albert Clark and his sex acts would say, “he’s guiltless, no guilt at all, he’s innocent and did nothing to me, just a sex act when I was a young child”.
Amen- we have to compare apples to apples, comparing David’s sin to a trusted minister of God that sexually abuses children is not the same thing by far, even though what David did was atrocious.We are not saying people cannot be forgiven, we all can receive forgiveness.What we are saying is that crime against a child is one of the most cruel things you can do, and the innocent children carry the burden for a long time, sometimes I can bet, even for a life time.Truely you don’t get it as many others aswell don’t.Its in vain even trying to help you to see the magnitude of these crimes.
Come on people. Please.
If no one wants to do some investigation and understand some parallels between what is going on in the Middle East and the ICC…and what is going on in the church – then that is up to you. Push back if you want. Stop your eyes and your ears and your nose if you want. Or just ride along on the bus of political, religious, or nationalistic enterprise and say the leaders have it all under control. My sense? The leaders are sweating. And for very good reason. It has been ‘child’s play’ until now. I am confident; the child’s play will turn into something else.
Jonathan. Please listen up. But up to you. I am almost done with my entreaties, likely much to many people’s delight. I am running out of words to paint the picture of what I see in the present situation. And there will be the ones that just enjoy little soundbites – they will be happy I stopped writing under Wings newsfeed. And Jonathan, you might be inclined to say Mark cannot speak because he is a nobody and a sinner. I am violently in agreement with that assessment.
To my brother in the church Jonathan. This story is for you. You are young and strong, and likely the youngest over seer in the world. You have some blood in you that harkens back to a strong and robust people, acquainted with hardship and grief. Lest you forget your roots. As Frank Thomas said maybe 40 years ago from the platform at Dunnville where I grew up, there was so many Irish in the truth because they heard it was a fight to the finish. David Constable who never seemed to relinquish his thick Scottish accent then helped Frank understand at lunch time that day why there were so many Scots in the truth – he said ‘they heard it was free’. And you have to let the ‘free’ roll off your tongue just-so and give some staccato to the ‘r’.
Frank, though he had struggles of his own, was speaking truth and being witty at the same time. David who was a good guy in my estimation and had spent some of his days in the work, he was just being witty. I say just witty, because truth is not free like the enterprise sold it to be. The enterprise of religion of all brands, even the No Name brand, sold a form of truth; and we as a people, of all nations and kindreds and tongues bought it. I am no longer able as an individual to buy all of what these leaders and their troops are selling.
And you Jonathan and all your brothers and your sister with their spouses, and your parents, know my story. And yes, my story does not fit the mold of one that is covering up with the fig leaves of religious enterprise. I will give you all that. But I am confident, any discussion around the table with me not present, only had part of the story.
But there is a very strong connection between me and my children, with some of your siblings. There is a love there that is unmistakable. They are all very strong people, and some also not totally fitting the mold of religious enterprise, and I am guessing they may be searching for answers.
I don’t really want to make this story about me, but everyone’s little story in their own little book written will somehow be woven into the bigger story in the bigger book.
And only a couple of your siblings or spouses may know the main reason why I have not spoken in meeting the last 3 or so years. A little part of it was true, and that was that I did not want to disturb my friend’s religious sensitivities, because they could see I was a sinner; and visible sinners did not have the ‘right’ to speak in religious assemblies. That is what religious enterprise has taught the people. Religious enterprise told the people, cover up. Don’t be real. Hide from the people what is in your heart, either good or bad, that which will disturb the thinking of religious enterprise. Because people won’t believe you. Here, take these fig leaves. They are free for the taking. You can sew them together as needed. You need some more because people are starting to see through them? Just come and ask. People may have thought that the ministry told me to stay quiet in meeting. It is not true. I did it of my own volition.
But the main reason for not speaking this last 3 years or so, was because what the Spirit was laying on my heart, I knew it would not go over well in the religious assemblage of peoples. I likely would have been shown the door after the very first meeting I would have spoken. I would have been booted from the fellowship for speaking what the Spirit really was laying on my heart and was showing me in my meditations. And up until late last year, the Spirit was telling me, ‘keep writing in the privacy of your own study, but it is not time yet to speak’. And then, there was a few months where the Spirit was telling me it was time to speak, and I then resisted because I did not quite understand. Why had the message to my heart shifted at a certain time? But things did not go well in my resistance. I came to understand, there was a time to keep silent, and then there would come a time to speak.
And the letter above that you write to the church in the east of Canada, a previous commenter has explained, there is guile in your writing. And you maybe know it. Your words are measured for sake of the enterprise. The spirit of guile that would be expected by religious enterprise and its proxies. A seriously strong force, a force that religious enterprise has been saddled to for a very long time. It has been a most favorable ride for sure. But the merry-go-round ride at the carnival may soon be over. I do not know. When the carnival folds up and leaves town is not for me to know.
And you may say, ‘these other boys at the top have been in the saddle way longer than I and they see things I do not see, so I will write in the letter what is expected of me’. You must have felt you had no option. Now I ask, what is the Holy Spirit laying on your heart? Because there just could be a conflict in your heart. Only you know. And if there is no conflict in your heart, then may I suggest you may want to exercise your mind and spirit and put on a sweat. The external voices may just not have, your best interest at heart.
And you don’t have to do this, but it is only a suggestion. Go into your study and open your window. The people of Babylon made an image to the king. The king approved of it. And a decree was made. The king put his seal on the venture. Whomsoever in Babylon that would not fall down and worship this image of the king, would be put into the furnace. And when you go into your study, ask the True King, what is this image graven by man’s hands? Please don’t ask religious enterprise, because they will not give you the straight goods. It is not what religious enterprise wants you to believe. Religious enterprise has wanted people to fall down and worship this image that they call the image of the True King. The image that religious enterprise has told the people, this is the true light from heaven. And the people believed all that light, and gave the True Light only honorable mention. It was evident, the True Light was not where their praise was directed after all. And three children it says did not fall in step – and they were tried with fire. But they came through.
And if you can read the writing on the wall and interpret it, you will need to have faith as Daniel had faith to tell the truth about the matter. Because the 120 princes of the provinces of the nation hated Daniel and wanted him fed to the lions. They could not interpret the meaning of it all and were lacking the vision. Daniel was a dreamer. And they were envious – Daniel had the King’s ear. There was only one Daniel. Would you care to be another one?
And if you do, then here is the next suggestion. You bail the bus of religious enterprise and walk back up the road to the Bainbridge’s. Start there please. The campaigners of religious enterprise you will find are not interested in Jonathan – their interest is in the preservation of the enterprise. The campaign bus of religious enterprise is long past their road and gets further away by the minute. It is on a different mission rather than reconciliation. It has no care for the children in the ditch, many now grown, along with the bruised and forsaken by religious enterprise. Walk back up the road to the Bainbridge’s, the same place at Woodstock my great aunt and uncle, Celia and Willey, owned for the 50 years or whatever before the Bainbridge’s took it over. And walk back up the road with your religious pride in your pocket. The Bainbridge’s I am confident will have your personal interest at heart. Something is preventing you from seeing – they just might have the King’s ear.
When you are willing to walk back up that road, this will tell the church – this man is willing to stand alone, come what may. But the ones in the church bowing to religious enterprise, you can be sure, they will resist you and have you thrown to the lions – but they will have their own day in court. The King will see to it. He will take care of all those that had an ulterior motive. ‘Long live the king’ were not their true words. They wanted to bring a certain man down. They really had no real interest in the king after all. The king allowed it, but there came a day that he saw through their intentions. Jonathan – what character do you want to be in this story?
You will know not of this writing. But I am confident, the king will ask if there is someone in the kingdom that can interpret it. You may be summoned. Do not fear your mission if called. The King in the end will have your back. And that is another story. You Jonathan, might have to shoot the arrow into the field, on up Route 560, to reveal to the one that would be king, what the people were thinking of him. The arrow carried the meaning of the message. Pull back the bow if you want. Up to you.
And I am fine with you not wanting to go alone. Find another man then, maybe from the same roots as you, and go together up that road less travelled. One that has the fighting spirit of truth, the spirit of counsel, the spirit of knowledge and understanding, the spirit of the fear of the Lord. He may be hard to find, but the message of two men will carry more weight than the message of one.
And if you lack the faith to step out in faith against the possibly that some of your family will forsake you, you need not worry in making the step. You will come to know who your family really is.
I wish you Godspeed in whatever path you choose Jonathan. I think you may need some luck in the one path. And in that path, you may need to have faith in the concept of ‘The Luck of the Irish“. We may be witnessing a fore leaf cleaver.
And any out there that want to hammer me again for the innuendo. I have this recommendation. Please do not turn to prophecy. You will not get it.
@Mark S
You managed to pick two workers with serious sexual allegations against them. Frank wasn’t sent to the East Coast for whistling dixie.
I do understand that Watchmen. That is why I said what I said about Frank. The other, I am not privy to the story, if there is a story to be told.
And may I add this, though I do not prefer to talk about a man’s story. The story about Albert maybe was thought to be covered.
But I got a phone call out of the blue about two or three weeks ago or so, from someone that has not gone to meeting for many years. I asked him what his thoughts were of what was going on in the church because he still has family in it. He said, ‘what’s going on?” The enterprise can blame me for asking if that is what religious enterprise wants to blame me for. But then he said, the only one I ever heard about long time ago, was Albert Clark and the such-and-such girls.
Albert maybe forgot, His Advocate in the matter…. was also the same Advocate of those girls. And that Advocate did not forget.
And my great Uncle Carson evidently helped him cover his trail in Ontario. It is what it is.
…and oh. Jonathan. One other thing.
Before you are tempted to push back on my writing, maybe go into your chamber and have a little visit with Hosea.
God knew right well a majority of the people would push back on his words. Hosea did not fit the mold of the Mosaic Law. And He was assured, most of the people would not listen for a reason. This time though, it is not 7,000 that would not bend their knee to Baal. My vision is, there will be 5,000 at the banquet of religious enterprise. The remainder will not be welcome. And they will go peaceably when asked to vacate the banquet hall. Not a murmur from them.
Call me crazy if you want. I am over it already.
…and Jonathan ….if you just bear with me a little while more in a song my Grandma Cowan used to sing to me.
Though the hornets did not compel you to go up Route 560, may the hornets make you willing to go.
The soothsayers will compel you to sit in your seat of religious enterprise.
…and Jonathan. The message will get crazier as the minutes turn into hours.
I got a message in my meditations, 1-1/2 or 2 years ago, even before Bruergate, that the first person that would call me would be the overseer of Eastern Canada; but Wayne was the only person I knew that held that position. I was sure it was him. Until I understood differently.
He did not call, though I waited. I have come to understand the reason why.
If you think your head is spinning right now? I can rightly say – you are not alone.
….if you are not yet tired of my stories Jonathan, I have one more.
There is something about Jonah, an unsung hero of his day.
The ship’s crew knew their ship, with all the other fellows in it, was in peril at that time. And they cast lots, and it fell on Jonah. Jonah had to go overboard to save the ship. And Jonah knew in himself – this is what I am worthy of; because I did not have the balls to carry the message given to me. I chose the ship to Tarshish, away from Nineveh where I was asked to go.
And when God took care of Jonah because He could see what his heart was made of, there was no longer any mention of the ship in the history books, nor its crew and its passengers thereafter. Save the mention of Jonah.
But the story did not end there for Jonah. He now had a story to tell plus a message to deliver. God brought him through an experience that in no uncertain terms changed his life. He went down, and his faith came up. He went on to Nineveh and told the leaders there what he was told to tell them. And they believed him. And they did as they were warned by Jonah to do. And they in turn warned the people of the city.
But here is the rub about Jonah from what I see. He did not expect the leaders of Nineveh to do as he suggested, and his human pride and reasoning took a bit of a bruising. There might have been some expectation in his heart that the people would not listen and he would be able to watch the city burn and he could stand up and say “I told them so!” “Buncha losers!”
So, Jonah sat outside the city and waited for it to burn so he could have the last word. But it did not burn, and he maybe felt within himself, now I look like a goof to the people. What I told them would happen if they did not repent – it did not happen. He did not see the true effects of being an unsung hero. They had repented. He sat and sulked for a while. But he likely got over it. He had just temporarily forgot – he was part of a story of something much bigger than him.
The following story is the modern-day Jonah that never was. And I am not the author of the sense of this story. The kernel of this story comes from the book The Black Swan, but I will paraphrase it from that book.
A certain man, let’s call him Ted or Todd or Bob, had a vision in the mid 1990’s. He could see a skyscraper or two in lower Manhattan on fire, and could see a plane flying into the tower.
So, Ted happens to get an audience in Congress, and he says to the senators, “something has to be done. America has to tighten our airport security. We have to lock the cockpit doors on the planes. And we need a ranger on every plane. I had a vision of something that does not bode well for America. I had a dream. I saw some bad actors”.
And the senators smiled and were quite amused. The entertainment was a bit of a change for a day from the normal day of political wrangling. This guy seems to be high on something, but what the heck. We will present it to the airlines.
So, they presented it to the airlines, and the airlines aren’t buying it. In fact, it will affect their bottom line and they don’t want to buy any of it. There is a lot of push-back from the airlines. But the airline union gets wind of it. And there is a scrap between the unions and the airlines. Ya, the airlines are going to buy it or the unions will dig in – for the safety of our pilots and flight attendants.
So, the airlines are miffed, but they acquiesce. They put safeguards in place and put a sky marshall on every flight. They tighten up security and lock the cockpits.
Sorry folks. That is the end of that story. There is no 9/11 story and Ted goes home to drink beer; an unsung hero. The people around the world should have been thankful for Ted. But they never heard much, if anything, about Ted.
So, is it in the realm of possibility that any leaders today in the City of Religious Enterprise would be willing to strip off the garments of religious enterprise and put on the graveclothes that will in time be but dust, and let their soul sit for a while in the bones and dust of the coffin. And call off the 9/11!? Or does everyone want to sit back and tempt a 9/11 in the church? Is everyone willing to trade a little candle for a temporary inferno?
If they would just bail the campaign bus of religious enterprise, put their religious pride in their pocket and forsake the influence, pandering and trappings of religious enterprise, and go back and help the ones forsaken and those in the ditch. And that they would tell the people, repent of your evil that is cultured by religious enterprise – and sit in sackcloth and ashes with us awhile.
And if the enterprise does not stand down, and the leaders and followers of the leaders will not, will not, will not (or cannot for some unknown reason?) go back and help the forsaken? I guess in my view, the only other option is for the church to remove itself from the enterprise and its proxies.
But whatever. If you all want to keep the church all mixed up with the enterprise, then have fun with the kangaroos in the top paddock. Because they will be loose. (You might need to ask an Aussie the general sense of that one)
…..I know you are getting weary of me Jonathan.
But when you deliver the message, and things don’t necessarily go as planned in your thinking, have the courage to refrain from calling on Him to shelter your thoughts with the gourd of religious enterprise. Because He will provide it. But it will be short lived. He will also raise up a worm to devour the gourd.
You can have confidence under the shelter of His Wings. If you would. They are everlasting.
I have wanted to write a letter to Johnathan myself.
it wouldn’t be like this one but the bottom line is the same.
Johnathan is / or is like a puppet, the top overseers, namely Ray, Barry, and perhaps Dale pull his strings.
Johnathan, walk away from the overseer job and save your soul.
Your glory as overseer will last for a very short while, even if it lasts for 50 years, your Soul is Eternal, do not sell out to the enemy. My friend it is not worth it. One little moment here, and forever in a lost Eternity. Mark is right, the Enterprise does not have your interest at heart, it’s the image of the Ministry that matters, not you for sure.
You are young, the enemy has enticed you, be like others and seek the counsel of God. If you are honest, you will.
If not, ………………
to No Confidence
Thank you for being clear and concise. Your words will be read. My treatise likely not so much.
I think you point out a second path for Jonathan. But listening to the counsel of God as you suggest will direct him in that matter. I know it is not for us to say.
Those danged choices in life.
The one choice would be to listen to the enterprise and do it’s bidding.
The next choice would be your suggestion and skedaddle from the overseer position. A little tougher in a certain way to do.
I suppose I have envisioned a third choice. It may be the hardest course for Jonathan to run.
A sister worker appeared to me in the night, the second time she has appeared in a while. It to me is no coincidence. A sister from a strong people that I believe are thinkers. Maybe she also has been asked to carry the message that needs to be delivered.
Allowing sexual predators to roam around free among those who the predators prey on is the opposite of safety for the innocent, lies are the opposite of truth and the devil is the opposite of God. Evil or good. It would seem that the difference would be easy to see. But it’s not.
(John 8:44)
“You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”
“Johnathan is / or is like a puppet, the top overseers, namely Ray, Barry, and perhaps Dale pull his strings.
Jonathon, walk away from the overseer job and save your soul.”
Very true statement! At this point though it appears evident Jonathon has bought into the father of lies. Re-read his letter. The letter is a pathetic display of deception and there is no truth in it. Jonathon has already been bought and excepted the overseers/ devil’s very enticing offer.
The devil said to Jesus, “I will give you all your heart desires, I will give you all of this”. Jesus said, ” Get thou behind me satan”. Jonathan excepted the deal.
Jonathan, bear with me please another few minutes.
Can you help me understand something? I think this may be the question in many people’s hearts and minds within the church. They may not be articulating it this way in their minds, and likely would be better than me in putting it into just so many words.
How is it possible to wash in a man’s mind …to insist on control over The Vineyard, and also in tandem insist on continuing to set up the abomination that maketh desolate within The Vineyard?
Then, how does it wash in another man’s mind to see that as a job well done of the leaders?
How does a man smooth all this out in his heart and mind?
To me, it seems like dark matter, no? …. that is liberally whitewashed? No?
“We have recently received knowledge of allegations against him of CSA that date to over 40 years ago.”
So the minimizing here is glaring.
If the author of this letter was being a true example of Christ or even a Good Samaritan (which he has no clue what that entails), would have shown compassion by stating; “Just Over 40 years ago”. Remember, the victim relives this every single day.
The author is heartless and spineless and that’s poor leadership quality especially in this position. Step down and away sir before you do more damage.
@Sven – spot on!
Jonathan
Flee the enterprise that wants control over the church. And save your soul like another has stated.
Not suggesting in any way for you to leave the church. That is what most are doing – fleeing the church to take refuge in the City of Religious Enterprise. The Capernaum of today.
Does the story Jesus told of the priest and the Levite have no meaning to you?
The ministry of this sect abused children, then passed on the other side of the road – only caring for their own ilk.
Now the whole ministry has no motivation to go back up the road and help. All are lead by the serious power of religious enterprise. Their words of ‘didn’t realize’ and ‘we will do better’ ring very hollow.
Yes – you may be right. I am not following the meaning of this parable myself. I need to be a Good Samaritan and do what I can to help – and make no notice of the priest and the Levite.
But here is the rub. You men and women in the ministry told me all these years what I needed to do to be right with God. The God of truth and love. But I am having a wee bit of difficulty reconciling that the ministry’s words of truth and love did not, and do not align with their actions – even from the time before I was born.
But there is hope. There is always hope. The hope is, that you and I would get over each others words and move on.
And despite what someone on here would attack me for not having kindness in my words, they know not, from whence the words come.
But no worries on that matter either. I have known the road before of getting sideswiped for what I believed was kindness; they wanted my kindness in another form, and furthermore kept a secret. I blow my stack, apologize for blowing my stack, then move on to another that can appreciate my offering. I have come to know – the difference between a proud one and a humble one in these matters. The humble ones have a true need – the proud ones have only a need to elevate self. And with those proud ones, somehow I become the bad guy. The math of pride does not compute with truth and love.
Excellent point here and something that needs to be pondered:
“I have come to know – the difference between a proud one and a humble one in these matters. The humble ones have a true need – the proud ones have only a need to elevate self”.
It is questionable, do the proud see their pride when they look in a mirror and see a head with a bun on it? Or do they see a humble human? Does the bun make one humble, or proud? A person that won’t report her own granddaughters sexual molester, the male worker that later molested more girls and EVENTUALLY ended up in prison for years, did she view her oversight as being humble?
The well known elders wife who told the workers on Saturday night at convention that the 16 year old girl that was all prepared to be baptized the next day, that the girl wore jeans and was on her schools downhill skin team. The girl was then informed by the workers that she could not be baptized; was that elders wife humble?
The women who always wears a dress but involves herself in everyone else’s business, is that women humble? This little woman is faithful always wearing a bun and a dress. This woman has also caused much havoc for many people. Is she humble?
It is simply very apparent, I have come to know – the difference between a proud one and a humble one in these matters. The humble ones have a true need – the proud ones have only a need to elevate self. Nice quote from Mark S.
Whom are watching?
Two congruent stories, running in parallel are revealed on the internet! Who is watching?
The children are being forsaken in both stories being told. There is no possibility in the power of mankind as a collective to change these stories. It is what it is.
And one third of the church may be awake and watching. Another third possibly are wiping the sleep from their eyes and wondering what day it is.
And one third possibly are not wanting to awaken. The dream is too wonderful. The vision of the promised land is beautiful. The trust and faith in the enterprise to overcome the opposition is complete. Their need for the enterprise to prevail is strong. And the enterprise is powerful with great authority – having strong friends. They sleep soundly and take their rest. They say “God is on our side, He is our protector, we have that assurance. The declaration of the prophet (that has become false) is what will prevail. The Amelikites must be consumed. All the men, women, children and flocks must have their blood shed. God told us so. We are convinced!”
But it does not align with the teaching of the Messiah, nor the spirit of the Christ, nor the Word of Truth and Love. Furthermore, “to hell with Moses. How can he speak? What did he know of the promised land? …Because he did not enter! He did not see it!”
Whom are watching? I am assured – 1/3 are not. It is not possible. It is not planned that way. It is what it is. It cannot be otherwise. As sure as the sparks fly upwards. The false prophet with ambition for sake of the religious enterprise and the nation will have his way. There is no turning back. And pity the one that wanted to spare some of the flock for an offering to God. The enterprise will ensure that guy is demoted. There will come to be a fall-guy for not fulfilling one party’s view – and then a king will arise for another’s sake.
And there are voices in governance that are not buying the proceedings. Their pain for the little children is great. But they have become cognizant – they can only watch. There is no changing the plan now of the enterprise. In spite of the entreaty of our/their (true) friends.
…..and the ones that will pay the highest price for the pride and arrogance and greed and covetousness and wrath and lust of the enterprise? The children! Always was, and always will be!
Now after 14 months of ‘The Way’ not having any ambition or inclination to go back and hardly acknowledge, let alone help the abused and forsaken in the church, this is an interesting statement in the letter above:
“There is no amount of confusion or deception that can hinder us from going forward in this way, as long as we stay close to him, and keep our eyes on him.“
uh huh
There certainly does seem like there will be no amount of confusion nor deception within, that can, or will, change the direction and plan at this time in this way of the Enterprise. And I do wonder who ‘him’ is. Kinda seems like a choice or perception.
So my take away? It seems to be ‘this way’ means ‘Our Way’. And ‘him’ seems to be someone important perceived in the way. But it seems we are willing to bulldoze anyone in the way of our way.
But definitely we can also see it means the religious enterprise we called The Truth and The Way. We say, ‘we’ The Nation are the ones that the ‘world’ is forsaking – not the other way around. I am making a wild guess here! …yesterday, May 10, might have been a pivotal moment in the potential ‘fortunes‘ of the enterprise. But I could be wrong. The religious enterprise’s fortunes may have turned 7 months ago. There seems to be a 7 month offset in these two awakenings for some reason.
“We the people were the forsaken nation. Can the ‘world’ not see it? Can the ‘world’ not see we are the chosen generation? The chosen people?” They say, “The ‘world’ has forsaken us, and we will stand strong for sake of the enterprise”. They say, “The world is forgetting that just yesterday, we suffered greatly. Are all you people’s memory shot!?”. Further, “We guarantee it, we will bring ‘our’ people ‘home’ safely”.
Pretty strange thought track in my estimation. No cognizance of the suffering they now are causing. The ‘world’ as they say “do not care about us”. (emphasis on the ‘us’)
Not much the ‘world’ can do, other than watch. Some even in governance of the enterprise are not buying the strategy. But not much they can do but watch, for they are not the ruling elite.
But Time has a most interesting way of flipping the tables in the temple. The temple has become a den of thieves, and the thieves are ‘needy’ it seems to rob the children; meanwhile calling on him, whomsoever ‘him’ is. And not shy to cast their devices on ‘those others outside the camp’ to achieve their goals. Now I would guess, the die is cast and the pride of the enterprise will not, and cannot possibly, back down from ‘their word’. They have buried all memory of ‘the Egypt they have been called out of’. They say “We will prevail”. They declare from standing on their hind leg, “We will root out the evil.” …and by their actions imply “to hell with the children!” It seems evident: they shook hands with the devil and presently arguing ‘not so’.
So interesting to me about this way – the way that we called and promoted, me included, as The Truth and The Way. I am so very, very, very thankful that we did not also call it ‘The Life’. Because that would have definitely meant that we were calling this way or religion 100% The Christ. I am so very thankful this morning that we stopped short and only used 66.67% of Christ’s name. Two outta three of His Names ain’t bad we might say.
But sure! Pummel me for rounding assumptions and using a decimal instead of a fraction.
Could we maybe not just start calling it Our Way? At least there would be no need of any rounding up of the number to alleviate holding the 6 key down for many days. Then after many days get tired and just tap on a 7.
Another one of my guesses? The leaders of the enterprise as we speak are really the heaviest burdened. Believe it or not. They are caught between ‘the rock’ and ‘the hard place’. Between Mount Moriah, and the present hard place of religious enterprise, Jerusalem. The rock will be brought low, and the hard place will follow. If we can’t have our way and our place, no one else will have it either.
And three disparate nations of peoples claim Mount Moriah as their beginnings, their alpha in Abraham. And all three nations claim Jerusalem as their omega, their ultimate resting place. And the little children are caught in the crossfire.
In my estimation? Four history books are being written. But only one will be the Full Truth. And we will come to know ‘the rest of the story’, as Paul Harvey used to say. You gotta hear him say it just so – “And now you know ….(selah)….the rest… of the story!”
To him/her that wants to watch, let him/her watch. Otherwise, you might even want to write your own history book. But please don’t call it ‘The Truth’. There are four authors vying for that title. But not many will buy the one that represents the Whole True Story. You see, it will end up being a bit of a slight to ‘their’ story. And that will not be good for business.
And if anyone wants to shift gears to science because the conundrum in the church is a dismal topic to discuss, I would be happy to oblige; – did anyone see the effects last evening of the sun’s solar flair in the sky? Here is my belief. The world with all the micro processor based control and data storage in this brave new world of society has seen nothing yet. And when we do see it, the electrical grid, and as a consequence the internet and our data and connectivity, will be brought to it’s knees. And mankind along with it. Every man will be for himself. The firmware and memory will be wiped clean.
Besides military devices that are hardened, or data stored in the Iron Mountains of this world, everything is fair game for a solar burst of a magnitude never before measured by man’s instruments. But without the connectivity to the outside world, this military control and data will be likely useless.
Sorry for getting off topic. Y’all can get back to looking at your cell phones or laptops and driving to the grocery store in your car now to buy groceries. Fill up your tank at the pumps on the way home. Check to make sure of your balance in your bank account beforehand though. You don’t want to be caught short.
Didn’t mean to disrupt or corrupt anyone’s processor. Especially those that only possess a ‘micro’ processor. To each their own though. Whether they have any inclination to fear a mega plasma burst from the sun, or conversely a mega plasma burst from the Son. Or neither. Go happy y’all – and hope ya go lucky.
And no, I don’t consider myself mean spirited nor a conspiracy theorist. I am just a struggling writer in the church. No one wants to buy my story it seems though. Too many words maybe. Or the words are arranged in the wrong order and fashion for many people’s liking. But I am cool with all that. I just like to arrange words on paper. Some words I play with, some I don’t.
Abraham, Abraham! …..Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem!
…the plop …I mean the plot thickens at the Dung Gate. Time for people to understand the significance of the dung gate. Disregarding what people must doo, will definitely cause some discomfort.
But some people’s bowels of mercy for the children and the forsaken will not be moved. It tihs what i’tihs.